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Experiment, Change Entire Site from Non www to www

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Vladamir, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. Vladamir

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    Hey Everyone,

    So I decided since looking at majestic that my trust flow was much larger on my www for all links so I decided i would give it a shot for hopefully some link raises my changing the entire site to www. what i did.

    Wordpress site options, added www. to site and site directory. Google webmaster tools, set www as prefferred site.

    I will be updating how the ranks play out twice a week for a month well see what happens.

    what I expect:
    1. rankings will improve about 30%
    2. rankings will drop first week or two while google dance starts
    3. possibly absolutely no change will occur

    Current average position of my top 300 keywords
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    non www to www changes not give you any ranking boost.
     
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    That's a bad gamble if your site is ranking good already. Google doesn't know what a trust flow is.
     
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  4. Vladamir

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    yeah its definately a gamble but i was tired of seeing the non www url it just doesent look professional in my opinion and considering google keeps asking for the preffered domain i thought i would finally give it a shot, personally i think if i was a tech there i would not differentiate www and non www urls because i just dont see why there would be a differentiation link wise i dont see a difference to the two but seeing as its an option i thought i would give it a try
     
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    You realise you don't have to swap the entire website to www to pick up link juice don't you?

    The .htaccess file in the root of your public folder can be modified to send all that juice to your homepage. Thinking about it Wordpress normally does this automatically now.

    Are you 100% sure the www version is not 301 redirecting to the non www version? If it is you're already getting the link juice.

    I'm with the other posters, DON'T TOUCH IT if you're ranking and earning cash! Learn a bit more about .htaccess and figure out if you're already getting the juice through.
     
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    I can assure you, that changing your URL when you are already ranking and getting traffic is basically a suicide. And for "higher TF", it's a dumb suicide mate. Don't do that.
     
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    Was www already redirected to non-dub before you made this change? If so then I doubt much will change. But still it will be interesting experiment.
     
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    I'm interested in seeing how this plays out. I hope you keep us updated OP!
     
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    I may be wrong and get screwed here, but I disagree. I dont think google puts as much value in the www and non www domains as everyone thinks if even they make a distinction i think it would be very small.

    I guess im batshit crazy i do things really on the fly sometimes. This site gets abut 1000 visitors a day and generates 1.5k-2k a month on high season 700-900 usd a month in low season, so if it is "suicide" im going to be regretting this and punishing myself by not drinking or going to the bar for a month haha, but like i said I dont believe so, we shall see fingers crossed
     
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    I would assume so, in the wordpress back end it was all http:// for both the site and directory and http:// in webmaster tools as the prefferred domain, but typing www and the link would send it to the non www site, i think thats just a feature of my dns
     
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    It's just a plain 301 redirect, no ranking boots in my experience. Make sure you .htaccess is good and your entire site works with the new www.
    Test it with an external site just to make sure.
     
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    Well Google does not put too much emphasis on them, that's correct and that's why I don't understand why are you doing this. I would understand the change from http to https, that might bring some benefit, but this definitely won't bring any benefit and can only lead to trouble.

    You have majority of backlinks pointing to non www version. That means, that you are ranking for non www version and www version gets redirected. When you change it, Google will reindex it and see that your www version has weaker backlink profile and your site will fall in Serps. Until, Google figures out that the backlinks from non www version are getting redirected to www one. And 301 redirects, even this kind of 301 redirects, always brings some link juice loss. I hope that I am wrong though. And I surely wouldn't do it with a site with this kind of income. Really mate, think it over. If you need some excuse to have some quality time in bar, I will gladly send you a bottle, but just... I can't see this ending up well.
     
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    Interesting thread. I'd say don't do it but hey, we can all learn from this especially if it goes bad. Btw I was thinking getting ssl. How hard can that hurt my rankings? Anyway good luck op!
     
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    Well in that case I don't think there will be much benefit. In a way I agree with the change - in theory it will be tidier. In fact it's strange that the www had so many links when nondub was the default for your site.

    The thing is, if one was not redirected to the other then it could have made an improvement.

    Good point. OP I think nargil is right, although it should level out eventually you might lose rank before they sebtle back.

    I'm interested to see what actually happens for sure.
     
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    I did this same thing last month. www to non-www.

    Ranking dropped off the charts for like 3 days. Then slowly popped back up after submitting a new sitemap and requesting Google to crawl my site in GWM.

    No significant SERP changes in Serplab. Just cost me 3 days of no traffic to my site.
     
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    let him. he at least "tries to fail" and does "stupid stuff" ;)

    I'd like to follow him, though chaning www. is even for me to much suicidal..

    whoot, just seen he makes some decent $ with that site... nah. thats really crazy...

    and I am doubting for weeks to remove the /year/day crap from 3 wordpress sites... 1 banks 250, one 500 and the other one 1500€. per year.

    but for www? I would not tuch it unless I can alter backlinks.
    honestly, in the past I even went manually through the backlinks to see if some were poiting to the wrong www. version... found some, corrected them too.
     
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    Its actually the exact opposite from majestic my www version is aparently much stronger, so were essentially going to see if the differentiation in majestic www and now www has any effect with google. Here is my majestic from the www and non www, as you can see the www is much more powerful according to them.
     

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    Oh! In that case, it should indeed be the other way around. Good luck, hope it works out!
     
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    Do what do you want buddy, its your site and after all interesting case study!