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Experiencing negative SEO - Need some second opinions

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gorang, Jun 21, 2013.

  1. gorang

    gorang Elite Member

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    It seems that during May, shortly before Penguin 2.0 was launched we started experiencing negative SEO on a clients microsite.

    I've never had to deal with negative SEO before so i'm looking for some advice from people who understand this area well.

    The microsite currently uses blackhat links and spamming to rank, but it is diversified and was ranking ok. During May someone posted 30,000 blog comments to the same blog using the exact match main keyword.

    The logical first step to take would be to add this domain to the disavow tool, but i'm unsure if this is a good idea when the site is already using spamming linkbuilding techniques.

    If you add URLs to the disavow, does it trigger a manual review?

    Do you guys have any other ideas? I will also begin linkbuilding to diversify the new links.
     
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    ibmethatswhoib Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hear from a lot of people the disavow tool is garbage and doesn't work and pretty much just outs bh sites. Good luck getting your client back though, I haven't had to deal with that so can't give you much help.
     
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    AR!ZONA Regular Member

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    Maybe it's karma for outing those sites a while back...:cool:

    Getting rid of those is going to be a major outreach campaign wherein you email each site to get them taken down,
    which is near impossible since so many of those are abandoned..

    Good luck!
     
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  4. gorang

    gorang Elite Member

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    Its not Karma, I still track that insurance site even today. The owner sold the site on Flippa for tens of thousands and it has now plummeted from the first page. Someone got terribly scammed out of a lot of money.

    In fact i've just finished a blog post on my research of how the 301 method works, I tested it myself. http://agentblackhat.com/how-to-eas...for-any-keyword-using-blackhat-301-redirects/

    As for my client, I don't think i'll use the disavow as it might trigger a manual review and the site itself uses spam tactics. I'll simply have to diversify the link profile. Its all good though as we have five more websites just for these types of scenarios. If this one does eventually drop we'll relaunch it on a new domain.
     
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    Did the site lose rankings? If not just let it ride. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Why not build a few more sites right behind it? When that site gets hit, no worries, you have a site right behind it.

    Also, I'm pretty sure using the disavow tool doesn't trigger a manual review. Can you imagine if that were the case and the tremendous amount of resources Google would need to check every site with a manual review? The disavow tool is probably used XXX,XXX times per day.
     
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    0_00_0 Senior Member

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    The disavow tool isn't very effective. It will only take you so far. You may as well use it though because its all you can really do. It will not trigger a manual review unless you submit a reconsideration request. Good luck with the neg SEO!
     
  7. cloakndagger2

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    RewriteEngine on # Options +FollowSymlinks RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} badsite\.com [NC] RewriteRule .* - [F]

    You could try the above code it'll block traffic from the bad domain which in effect should make the link dead.You will need apache mod rewrite.At worst google see you are attempting to block all traffic from this site.READ BELOW FIRST THOUGH!

    I'd be interested if this has actually harmed your ranking,I cannot see more than a couple of position drop if any if they used your main keyword.I'd use longtails to dilute the anchortext.
    The downside of this technique is actually the loss of links e.g if you actually see 30k gained links,losing that will actually cause the drop more than the links themselves so do not use the code above unless the site is taking a major nosedive.As mentioned ride the storm,in fact use comments BUT filter to 1 per domain to give you IP diversity to counter the neg seo.Do not disavow yet,if these links are indexed and you loss them,you'll drop.
     
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  8. Getwhatchuwant

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    I can vouche for the OP in this, this happened to us last october, hundreds of thousands of exact anchor links in blog comments in September by Octobers Penguin update we dove off the 1st 5 pages. Only now after diversifying our links again and adding pages of content and the latest update is it coming back.
     
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    Hello Gorang,

    I know the websites you are talking about, on flippa auctions it looks like it has been sold but actually after checking the whois I saw that they still remained to the same guy.

    I think the guy is trying to build himself a reputation on flippa so he's always bidding on his own auction so as the listing finished as sold, plus nobody's leaving a negative review or rating to the guy, if he had really sold the websites he would have been already banned for scamming people.

    By the way great article :)
     
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  10. cloakndagger2

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    It's nice to see you like thanking people who praise your "information"but can't be bothered answering a simple question like wether the site has dropped or not(asked twice,for a reason).The reason I ask is there are several different ways to approach and recover\prevent depending on the state of play.If you don't post wether it's been hit or not I won't be posted a more detailed strategy to counter or recover.I'm not a fan of you outing sites and yes I go with the karma,what goes around,comes around and all that,but I also don't like people getting hit by neg seo and I have recovered a few sites but if you're not playing ball it's all good by me,good luck with it.
     
  11. gorang

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    The site dropped slightly around Penguin 2.0, not a lot, but enough. It was definitely Penguin 2.0 because it was sitewide and on the exact date of release.
     
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    Your only recourse really is to just overcompensate with some high powered links and try to hang on, well at least that has been my experience with sites affected by negative SEO.

    Unfortunately this is a hole that Google has yet to create an answer for. Disavow tool may or may not work, I have yet to really see some positive outcomes from people that use it.
     
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  13. kgrittner

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    The only real defense you can create is to increase your sites PR.
    The higher the domain PR the harder it is to do negative seo on it.