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EXIT POP-UPS HURT SERP: fact or fiction?

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  1. itsjinx

    itsjinx Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Does anyone have experience with seeing SERP drops due to exit popups - the ones that appear when you try to leave the page?

    I have heard mixed reviews and I have seen a handful of my sites all drop in google, and the only common denominator is that they all use the same exit pop-up to offer a lower priced software when the user leaves without buying... Some have said that google penalizes you for this because it is considered somewhat 'black-hat' and not user friendly.... does anyone have any options on this???
     
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    I thought that search engine robots didn't parse javascript?

    If you're using javascript or do it server-side without anything visible in the source, then google won't be able to see it unless they manually review? There HAS to be a sneaky way to do it...
     
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    google has said(via matt cutts) that it does parse javascript so i guess the question is... does google see that a page cannot be left without seeing a prompt box, and therefore penalize it?
     
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    Matt Cutts did say that it had no effect in one of the webmaster vids. I guess the question is whether or not to believe him. I do not always but in this case I do. He did say he was not fond of them so if he was going to lie it would have been to say yes so people did not use them even though if it did not matter.
     
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    Google has become more advanced at parsing JavaScript due to the result of cloaking techniques and such ...

    BUT ... I agree with you for the sneaky trick! ;)

    All you would have to do is have PHP check whether it's Google... if it is, don't include the JavaScript file, if it isn't then include it.

    So, for example:
    Code:
    $google = $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'];
    
    if($google == "GoogleBot")
         echo "";
    else
         include('filename.js');
    
    Have the "filename.js" include your script... for example your ExitJunction code if that's the network you're using :)

    Or, just echo your code rather than having an external JavaScript file... (?)

    Naughty! :p

    Hope that helps,
    Lynn.
     
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    Yes i trust Mat Cutts, as far as I can comfortably spit a rat.

    //apologies to the Black Adder
     
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    i see no difference, Google bot is can only view text
     
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    Well I always take what he says with a grain of salt but it really depends on the subject. You really can not discount all the information he puts out, a lot of it is useful. You just have to sift through it and separate the good from the bad. One thing to keep in mind is that most of his content is not aimed at you and I. Most of it is aimed at the non IM crowd.

    Now he does spit out the company line, content is good, paid links and link spamming is bad etc, even though we know that is a lie. He is not shy about saying the things Google dislikes are bad even though we know a lot of times it is not true. In the case of the pop-ups it was clear he thought they ruined the "visitor experience". It would have been easy for him to say they also damaged rankings to get people to stop using them. That would have been the reason for him to lie. Instead he said they had no effect so in this case I take what he said at face value. Now as always he said that things might change down the road and since they update the algorithm almost daily anything is possible.
     
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    Yes I agree with this.... However, what I'm really wondering is if an "EXIT POPUP" is different, because it does prevent the visitor from leaving the site as they wish, and therefore I wonder if this particular type of popup is what got my website penalized and dropped in SERP results, because Exit Splash was the only change to my website and a couple months later(may 2010) it dropped and hasn't recovered since...

    I'm wondering if anyone who has used any EXIT scripts has seen a drop in SERP's?
     
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    Unfortunately, doing this would get any website penalized - guaranteed. In fact, I did this on a couple sites and they got penalized. This is because there is no sure-fire way to detect google. GoogleBot is only the bot that is responsible for 'caching' your website, but there are thousands of google bots that are not identified and look like any other visitor and the only semi-reliable way is to check the IP of every visitor and match it with known google IP's, with a product such as "Fanto Master" but its very expensive and still not reliable...
     
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    from all my testing having a pop up will decline your SERPs no matter how old the site is.. I put a pop up on a site 6 years old, dropped from number 1 on it's KW to be outside the top 100.. Removed the pop up and back up in the top 10 within 9 days of removing..
     
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    what kind of a popup did you have? Exit popup? popunder? and what content was the popup?
     
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    I want to know about this too, I'm about to try ExitJunction on a few sites of mine but I'm worried about them getting penalized or removed from searchengine :( but is there any truth to this?
     
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    i wonder will it matter if its wp site
     
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    Thank you for this awesome info. !!