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Executive VIP Ideas

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by HaRRo, May 27, 2009.

  1. enrikole

    enrikole BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    no offense bro, but I didnt get what you meant:p Could you elaborate on that?


    Maybe its just me being thick :D
     
  2. 4alllifestyles

    4alllifestyles Junior Member

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    I would agree with both of these....

    To do what we all do you HAVE to be competitive. But that doesn't mean that some who would (and do) contribute greatly will spend their competitive energy to become an ExecVIP.

    I would think the opposite to be true. Although we are all competitive, those that contribute and participate would (and will) do so regardless of any status.
     
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  3. ukescuba

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    blackhatworld holds such a wealth of information that most people im sure feel very priveledged to be even part of the family

    the generosity of the community whether it be through time, knowledge or experience is unparalleled to any other place on the net right now, and foremost bhw is filled with very liked minded people with similar goals... what a great place this is! lol

    but regardless of status some people will always be helpful, and will always come up with new techniques or ideas...

    one thing that is noticeable by their contributions is that their statistics constantly change, people get thanked, they get rep, and itrader points, additionally there is post count and new thread posting too, as well as time on site and average daily posts, theres probably more but thats all i can think of right now....

    but why not take all of these stats into consideration and use the results to form a list of nominations each month that is still voted on by the exec vips... in theory it could almost be like a league :)

    just because someone isnt a regular on here doesnt signify there not worthy of exec vip status but an overall ratio of that persons stats may help see there worthyness

    i will certainly look at the maths and statistics and see what could be considered to be a fair nomination based on peoples current activity - just the few people that have already been mentioned by other members in this thread must have some kind of common pattern to their activities and other user feedback... to which could be used to identify their placement for nomination

    but like i mentioned - regardless if their status changes or not i would still like to think they would still continue to contribute as much as they do now, and would hate to think that having a higher status would make a person complacent or even worse if someone is overlooked that it makes that person think fuck it whats the point...

    hope that makes sense and apologizes for the lengthy post! :)

    thanks


    jay

    PS someone mentioned about thanks coming from the downloads section, perhaps thanks can only be given if the downloaded information is the OPs original work or perhaps have some cap on it if its not...
     
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  4. platinvm

    platinvm Senior Member

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    I second that just take the rep system out of the download section, its really annoying when people with no knowledge of IM have 1000 thanks. It can really throw off the noobs of the forum.
     
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  5. neilparnham

    neilparnham Junior Member

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    put people up for the vote - from that point they are added onto a new rep system - where they are rated out of ten for any valuable posts then the one with the most votes wins.
     
  6. dloader22

    dloader22 Junior Member

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    I really like idea of blackhat apprentice
     
  7. kayzne

    kayzne Power Member

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    I think it's fine the way it is.

    The individuals within EXEC, should be the only ones to decide who joins them ( aside from mods/admins ). Letting the rest of the forum decide for them is ludicrous in my opinion.

    Potential Exec's should be nominated by current execs based on what they have done WITHOUT motives or agendas.

    I certainly wouldn't want to be the guy who got into exec b/c I "won a contest", rather because I was invited.

    Just my two cents.
     
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  8. S M W

    S M W Junior Member

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    no offense but how is any of this good for anyone but the people getting "VIP" status. If you list the current VIPs i'd say more than 3/4's of them don't have much input here. most just lurk here doing their VIP thang....

    everyone knows who the helpful people are - it's evident in the posts. the Gens, Cyps, Havok of bhw are obvious VIPs and they were easily accepted. what you ought to do is have a vote on who should KEEP their VIP status. now that would be something i'd like to see - if you just sit on your ass and don't get involved in bhw why should you continue being a VIP?

    shit, i used too many words in relation to my level of apathy... oh well, get out the vote. maybe you can do a cpa poll to where our vote only counts if i input my email addy on some cpagod form? :/
     
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  9. unknownn

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    in my opinion there are groups which will make it difficult for some members.

    First of all i would define what a exec vip is.
    Is it just somebody who is trying to help a lot?
    Is it somebody who is at least xxx time on board?
    Is it somebody who have sucess in IM if yes how do you define sucess
    etc

    i'm writing it cause i saw names nominated who arent even making 1k per month but very helpful and have shitload of posts but i dont know if this should
    be enough cause how can be somebody really helpfull if he isnt able to make himself 1k...just my opinion
     
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  10. DrJekyll

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    If its coming to a vote, I will have to scrape some things to share and post a couple a day and will be a shoe in for a vote.

    Ok, I think I just made my point for a vote open to the whole forum.

    A vote open to just jr/ and vip might be possible

    There have been some vip that have moved on to some big public projects, at that time vip could be used just to further your off bhw venture. At that time maybe there should be some sort of stepping down. [big offsite projects are ok, but CAN be done in ananimity]
     
  11. kayzne

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    I wouldn't go that far. Yes only they should, they've earned that right.

    Right, "strong", so you agree that gives THEM the right to decide who else belongs there as well. Certainly those illuminated ones will shine through, without the need for American Idol syle voting.

    WHAT!?

    No longer need to share? Quite the contrary, more valuable material, software, unique perspectives and criticisms only those with experience can provide should be shared. ( by everyone capable )

    Who decides whose knowledgeable? Isn't that what a status provides? Instant awareness of those who are thus?

    What makes a "strong" member? Certainly you're not suggesting that HELPFUL, is all that an EXEC is.

    A strong member is a stable member, a pioneer, envisioning new strategies, concepts and methods, humble while helping those just beginning their quest.

    A non-seller? :smashfrea ...give your head a shake.
     
  12. berrycorp

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    i like the idea of the person with the most orig shares gets the upgrade.. because like the numbers of posts(for jr VIP) thing made the place so active and everybody is helping each other...

    the new rule will make the original idea's in this forum increase a lot! people will actually sit down in front of there computer and think of original ideas so that they can get in exec VIP..!

    everybody is in a different circumstance and in a different section on IM.. nobody knows everthing bout IM... its HUGE!

    and when everybody start sharing good stuff that is there in there section and the new stuff..... the learning speed of the whole community will go up!

    its like the difference between open source and no source code kinda thing! .... it is due to this reason that open source as a community is going up so fast!

    so i vote for the person with the most orig ideas is given a pat on the back!

    and the activity of the forum and number of posts should not be of any importance..! only the original ideas!

    there would be some stupid ideas coming in too... but its sometimes the most stupid of ideas that make billions!
     
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  13. towerjunkie

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    I agree to the suggestion of awarding creativity, but I also think that everyone who has a chance of getting "promoted" should be interviewed by a couple of current execvips/admins (by phone or something).
     
  14. AffGuy08

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    A vote from all members will be the best, after all we are a BIG family here and we need to decide this together.
     
  15. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    All members maybe Regular Member/50 Post + to stop people blackhatting ;)

    I think that a vote would be best and a thread asking for users to nominate members for VIP, possibly even member vote counts for 50% of votes and a voting poll for exec VIP+ which counts for the other 50% or similar.
     
  16. shylesson

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    True. I agree that I'd hate to see someone voted in just because they won a contest or all of a sudden started being nice and helpful just because there is a watchful eye around waiting to tap a lucky nut on the shoulder.

    Perhaps you can stagger the voting eh? Something like starting out in Jr. VIPs voting on x-candidates. And then the top 5 or w/e from those goes on to exec vip for voting. I would assume they can still choose not to vote any of the said individuals in at that time, no? Meaning, it'd be as now: majority vote wins it. So really there could be a new exec vip [or more] or none at all.

    I still think at least the criterion that the user hasn't been banned in the past 30 days and is even a donor would be nice [still just a suggestion though--and lacking the 'how to make money in x days' post within the past 60-90 days would be nice too....=D].

    And I still think that there should be some housecleaning of exec vips too perhaps on a staggered vote as well: members -->jr.vip....exec vip? Though perhaps fewer are willing to vote against someone than they are for someone...ya know...because despite the majority's nature to 'fend for themselves', we are at least for the most part nice guys and gals I think...respectful I would hope?

    It's a tough area I'd say for sure, but I do hope that it goes in the right direction. I know many are tired of seeing an esteemed member go sour on them. And I for one hated seeing the abusers of that role. Though I believe most in the role currently are superb candidates for that role and were rightly chosen [real talk...but I did say most too =P]

    I think though too one thing: if you do come up with a criteria to be met, it should not be publicized for the obvious reasons, but more for the reason that it will just make others more skeptical of their fellow mates. Competition promotes the not so better side in people yanno...
     
  17. tymillz

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    I know this is not a vote thread or anything like that, but when it comes to unique, original money making threads 3 JR. Vips come into my mind...

    Enrikole
    Berrycorp
    Davejug
     
  18. VulcanMan750

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    Could you please explain what is the point of becoming an Exec VIP? I understand that Jr VIP's have access to some hidden forums and download sections, so what special privlages come with Exec status?

    Do they get keys to a special bathroom or something?

    I thought this forum was supposed to be a place where you help when you can and learn when you can't.
     
  19. AffGuy08

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    Exactly! No blackhatting blackhatters ;)
     
  20. gts6

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    I like the idea of some competitive section thing so some new "pledges" can stand out and shine and get noticed and be put up for a vote. it will be much easier for someones smarts to show through if people know the exact section to go look in to find it.

    its sometimes a chore these days to find a great post hidden amongst all the crap (I.E. threads asking for support help for a software(go to their site and ask), or "help me find an email submit offer", or "why isnt me affiliate link working and not converting", ask your affiliate manager and stop flooding here with crap,lol) so sometimes people dont even open these threads. so having its own section would make it easier to find decent conversation threads

    as for the voting process, i think vip's should still have to vote you in. as long as you've proved yourself smart, and have no history of wrongdoing and no one objects, theres really no problem. no ruthless bastards here are out to get you and keep you down, but TRUST trumps everything else. You can be the smartest and best marketing person in the world, but if no one trusts you or can get along with you in the vip section, then you shouldnt be there. there have been a few that proved untrustworthy that have been given the boot, rightfully so.

    as for "cleaning house" .. NO. First of all, if we were to clean house, no one but vip's are qualified to vote on that issue, because anyone not in there has absolutely NO clue of who is contributing input into any of the threads there because you can't even SEE them. so anyone not there is unqualified to make any judgements
     
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