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Example of Putting a "Twist" on an Method to Make Cash

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by bfellow, Jan 17, 2010.

  1. bfellow

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    Hey All,

    I've been around BHW for a while now but thought it would be a good time to post something helpful, especially for the newbies out there.

    BHW is filled with thousands of great ideas. I literally make a living off of what I have learned from BHW. You can too, but you need to understand what is means when they say you need to take an idea from here and make it your own. How to put a twist on a method.

    The example I am going to use is based on the CL Job method which is quite popular now. In fact, it is SO popular now that if you don't understand how to put your own twist on it you will be lost in the noise and delisted from CL faster than you can post your next ad.

    About a year ago I jumped head first into the CL Job method. I am a stickler for details so I broke down the method and planned it well in advance of it launching. In short the whole idea is to get people to apply for your "job" in the jobs section of CL, though you can also get traffic by contacting individuals directly through the Resume section. When someone comes to your website, you push them through an "online job application" while would include stuff like a credit check (which is actually starting to become common for some real jobs), ask them to fill out an ad and give a review (great for targeting new job seekers who want a web job but have no web skills) or some other way of capitalizing.

    If an individual shows up to your website and it looks like it was thrown together in 2 seconds they will leave in 2 seconds. When I am working on this method I literally invent a company. By that I mean a full company website. Doesn't have to be huge, but people will look to see what type of company you are. I generally but up a site that has a front page, sales or services page, contact us, about us, privacy policy, and of course and employment page. My employment page talks about "openings", benefits, the work environment, etc. I also have a link to an "online job application" that is fully branded to the "company".

    A couple of little details before I go on. For the contact us page I list three crucial pieces of information. A working phone number, email, and mailing address. For a working phone number, use something like Y! Voice which has voicemail. It costs $2.49 a month but gives you a working phone number in case people call. The email can just be a catch-all, and the mailing address I use a P.O. box. Also, make sure you make your WHOIS info PRIVATE! It's a headache if you overlook it. Trust me! :)

    Ok, back to the job application. Two ways to get traffic here. First, if you go after people in the resume section of CL, send them a general email saying you reviewed their posting and ask them to visit your new company website, telling them if they are interested to go to the employment section, fill it out completely to be considered for the position. What is great about this is that there is nothing to be delisted from since you didn't post an ad. You can send out emails all day long this way.

    The better way to do this is to post a convincing ad, and then have them email there resume to an email address like "hr@company.com" or something similar. When posting an ad, I select to have this hidden. I do this so that it is harder to come back and find your ad to flag later.

    To keep flagging down, I typically do not respond to emails for 1-2 business days. This can be automated or done by hand. The reason I do this is that it gives the impression that someone actually took the time to look at the resume and consider it. In the reply email I generally thank them for their resume, tell them that its been cut down to 10-15 candidates and they are one of them. Then refer them to your online application. Tell them they need to go fully fill this out to receive an interview time.

    When it comes to the application, I generally make it 3-4 pages of real sounding questions. Something that goes beyond the simple resume. Then towards the end is where I mix in my payload. Typically a credit check. I write a paragraph telling them that it is needed but that they can opt out. I tell them though that this can hurt there chances later on or cause them to go through the interview process only to have there credit checked before hiring. I tell them that the only two pieces of information needed is the score itself and the Transaction ID number from the reply email. This way it gets them past the whole "private information" barrier. I found that when I added the opt out plus the info on protecting private information, my conversions doubled.

    Once this is all done, you can either send a follow up email saying someone else was hired or simply ignore them. Either way, by this point you have successfully converted them.

    I used this method with this level of detail in one premium city in CL and generated 400 replies which converted into about $860 bucks via credit checks. From start to finish it takes about three days. Once you have coded your "company" website then you can rinse and repeat. Make sure you rinse though! You need a new fake company completely.

    I've run this in several cities simultaneously and made a killing where others haven't made a nickel all do to the DETAILS! That's the big thing. Think about yourself applying for a job and any red flags that would come up. If you can get to the point where the only red fag is the payload, then you have done your job and should convert very well.

    I hope this has been a good example of taking BHW method and putting your own twist on it. This is the way to be successful online. Like I said, I make my entire living from the Internet and it's great. All do to the details.
     
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  2. dukeofism

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    Great method. Your attention to detail even shows in your posting here on bhw! do you code your websites yourself or hire this out to web designers?
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  3. bfellow

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    I code all my own websites. I've been doing web dev for about 12 years now. Its only in the last two years that I have been doing it only for myself as opposed to others. It totally cuts down the cost and time of launching something like this. Because I keep my fixed and variable costs so low by sacrificing my time as opposed to hiring out I carry a 99% profit margin on my projects. It works out pretty well though. I'll program like mad for a week or two, launch something, then only have to maintain and update it for a month or two which I do from the road when I am traveling.

    I am so in depth on details for my gray and black hat projects that sometimes it would take more time and effort to tell someone else how to do it as opposed to just doing it myself.
     
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    Good job pointing out each and every detail which increases conversion rates and believability!
     
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    Thanks for taking the time to put all of this together. This is really thinking out of the box. Love it when someone makes a terriffic share such as this. ( Yep, hit the thanks button also ) Send more when you have the time. Tips like this are appreciated..
     
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    Please don't ask for thanks. That's not the reason we post here. We post to help each other, not get off on our cyber ego.

    Unlike CL job seekers, we see right the through the bullshit of "oh do this and i'll give you a reward" AKA "If you find this helpful, let me know by hitting the "Thanks" button and I'll write some more."
     
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  7. bfellow

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    Edited the post just for you Grand Slam because I enjoy that $2.99 breakfast special oh so much. And with free coffee refills it's a steal!
     
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    I like this Idea is there a way implement this without building a website from the bottom up maybe templete? Don't know HTML
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  9. bfellow

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    Sure, you can start out with a free template. There are thousands available online for free. I prefer to go completely custom because I can make anything I want while not being restricted by a template.

    To make a convincing application page though you will need to know some HTML. Really easy stuff. Ton's of resources online to learn pretty quickly or a book that I recommend is HTML in 10 Minutes by Sams Teach Yourself. I have a copy on my desk along with several other manuals for CSS, PHP, XML, SQL, and more. Just like a good writer has a dictionary on there desk, I think most good programmers have a couple of reference guides on there desks.
     
  10. harrymarkets

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    Great post. Can I ask if you make up a company name? And do you make it specialized - ie like a computer company type of name ? Would you avoid something in health care types of field or something people would look up in phone book? I'm just curious on that part. I know you do have a phone number of course .

    When you did just contact people who list their resumes did that do well ? Thanks.

    Harry
     
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    Yea, I just made up a company. I would typically specialize it, but I have found that making up a general temp-to-hire company works just as well and allows you to post more jobs. Either works well.

    Contacting people works very well, but unless you automate it, it can be time consuming to say the least. In my example I posted one listing and got 400 replies. To do that with resumes you would have to contact probably 3x that. If you are having a hard time getting your ads to stick, resumes is the way to go until you can get ads to stick or have the money to pay someone.
     
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    i had a similar twist in mind. just use a domain email address. it'll make it look good enough. adding the website is a key though to your success i bet
     
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    killer post man. What about the ad you post? Is it a general sort of job like "data-entry" or "janitorial" or do you get specific? Do you mention pay scales/benefits/etc? Are the ads custom made or jacked from places like monster.com / jobs.com
     
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    I custom make the ads. I don't go to crazy on them. I list skills that my "company" is looking for that are general enough to receive lots of replies without being so general it looks fake (takes a little practice), plus just basic benefits info like medical/dental/vision/401K/paid time off. Nothing more than that. With this job market it would look ackward for a company to offer tons of stuff when there is so much out there. Its all about limiting the number of red flags possible.

    As for the type of job, typically pretty general. You will get a lot more hits for a job title of "Administrative Assistant" and you will for "Geo-thermal engineer with Ph.D.".
     
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    Its a valuable method, I just have concerns about acting as an entity that doesn't exist. The company you created doesn't exist, the job you posted doesn't exist, the intent to hire anyone doesn't exist. Thats fairly close to fraud.
     
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    @tygrus, Never said it wasn't blackhat. :) Its really up to you how far you go with it. Honestly it is no different that eWhoreing or any other method on here where you are posing as something you are not. And you aren't ripping off someones credit card or stealing an identity or something along those lines. My main point was to give an example of taking a method and making it your own through the details.

    @water-polo, It's been a while since I've done it, but used the methods successfully for along time. Again, really this post was to give you guys ideas on how you can make a method your own.
     
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    i seriously doubt that many people will put in the effort and bang out all the details needed to successfully execute this method
     
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    Its definitely not for everyone. But realistically only about 1% of the people here actually make real money. And those are the people who pay attention to details, think things through, and act.
     
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    I have a couple of more follow ups as I got a brainstorm from this taking a walk:

    1) Do you send them always to e-mail you or do you ever put the link itself in the email?

    2) Have you used this with adsense?

    3) If link is within the ad itself (or e-mail) do you use a re-direct and which type?

    4) I'm not too sure how to set up an application form on a website but if you ask someone to send a resume and if you have a list of 10 questions that they need to answer via e-mail do you think that could substitute?

    Thank yoU!
     
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    1. I typically set up Thunderbird or Outlook to do the follow ups for me. But make sure you change how often your email client checks for new emails. If its every one minute and you are sending out a long email, they will know it was an automatic email and the appeal with drop dramatically.

    2. No way. That is a HUGE give away that its a fake. Your site should look like a legit company that overs a service or product, not a MFA site.

    3. If I send a link, its typically to a place like "http://employment.company.com" or "http://www.company.com/employment". If you were masking your URL's, that is a big red flag. No "legit company" would mask there own website.

    4. The application is a simple html form. Hell the damn thing doesn't even need to work. You are not interested in there answers, just getting them to the payload an thats it. Email will not work for this. The whole plan is to naturally integrate the payload into the application so it looks seemless and apart of the normal process.
     
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