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Everything is Spamming

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by cjmo75, Aug 26, 2010.

  1. cjmo75

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    If you ask me, just about any form of promotion nowadays is considered spamming. There is just way to much left to interpretation. If you try to build your list using Craigslaist, is that spamming?

    Craigslist says yes, but why?

    I guess what I'm wondering is, what are some ways to promote that AREN'T copnsidered spamming?

    My goal for this thread is for you all to tell me what is spamming.

    I want to know just how many ways there actually are.

    It seems to me that big companies like Google and Facebook dictate what is spamming based on whether or not they thing anyone besides them should be allowed to make money on the internet.
     
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  2. boobooboy

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    i was thinking about the same thing just few days ago. If you have a new website, you have to market it somehow. You can't just sit back and expect people to visit your website. I have analyzed tons of sites that are ranking no 1 and they all do things like article marketing, buying links in blogrolls, footer links etc. Spamming is anything that's not natural and pretty much majority of sites that are ranking no 1 spam. If you are paying for links, you are spamming.

    Almost all affiliate sites in Google get to no 1 by spamming. I think Google knows this but they choose to ignore it. I know Rand from seomoz wants people to do everything natural by writing great content and get people to link to you naturally but that only works if you have tons of money to spend or you are gifted at writing great content. I think Seomoz charges $10k something for writing linkbait articles. Who is hell is going to fork over that kind of money?? Not everyone is gifted when it comes to great content. Those with $50-$100 monthly budget will have to rely on alternative ways. In the end those with $$, can rank no 1.
     
  3. gonzomcribbinz

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    Sites like CL and even Google grew so popular largely because of what was then known as "grassroots" support - owners, employees, and fans of the sites spreading the word about them...which is now known as "spamming" according to those same websites.

    It boggles my mind why anyone would let the TOS that another business makes up influence they way they run their own website?

    Unless the so-called "spamming" hurts their business in an illegal way, I'm all about "spamming." Just because it's against Google's precious TOS doesn't make me lose sleep at all.

    Fuck Google. They're looking out for Google, not me. So I'm looking out for me, not them. And fuck Craig too.

    If it's not illegal, if it's not harming anyone, and at the end of the day my customers are happy with what they receive from me then I couldn't give a flying fuck what Google, Craigslist, Yahoo, Facebook, or any other big company has to say about it. I didn't shit where they ate when they were "small time" and I'm not going to let them do the same to me.

    /end rant
     
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  4. Sikez

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    I've been in this the game since late 1994...
    I started out mailing AOL,then open relay mailing,then form mail mailing ,then moved onto instant message spamming ,then chat spamming,then SN spamming,Spamming the SE's,CL's,even figured out how to spam peoples pagers back in the day LOL,etc....
    I've done alot and had many many methods over the years come and go.

    There really isn't much out there that people do not complain about that makes a decent quick buck when it comes to I.M.
    In most cases,sooner or later they/people will complain and your method will get labeled as spam.

    What I find funny is all the so-called Anti-Spam groups around today (really people with no lives is what they are).
    They will never get it....
    As long as there is a way to contact/reach people online,there will always be so-called spam. :)

    My advice is find your own methods before others do,then automate them and make the most of them and then move onto the next thing....before it draws too-much heat.
    Just always gotta stay a step a head and cover your tracks.
     
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  5. Flurbuff

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    Perhaps if we stare at google really hard it will rank our sites without having to build backlinks and spam.

    I don't see what the big deal is. If you're offering a service or product that people are looking for then there shouldn't be a penalty for offering it to them.
     
  6. cjmo75

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    That's true, but just because you are offering a product that people want doesn't mean that you are going to sell it if they don't know you have it.

    And forget about forum markeitng nowadays. It's completely useless and utterly frustrating.

    I was banned from the Warrior Forum for life recently just because I put my own website link in my signature.

    This is a site that my partner and I run, and it cost a pretty penny to get going. We had to buy RAP and the membership add on, and several memberships to monthly MRR sites to get the newest products as they came out to make it attractive for our members.

    Point being, the asses over at WF warned about the signature once because it was to a "commercial" site.

    I wrote back citing THEIR own policy that if it was MY domain and MY website it was okay.

    They responded with a lifetime ban when I put the signature back up.

    Anyway, point is, who decides if it's simply advertising/marketing or spamming, and why?
     
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    Perception is what the big boys do to keep us small. If its legal is the only thing you should care about.
     
  8. cjmo75

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    You know, you're absolutely right.

    Another problem with this is that the big boys can pay big lawyers, and we can't.

    But if you know the law and you're rights I guess you'll be alright. Although, sometimes it's not enough.