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Everyone go for a Business Account at Paypal!

Discussion in 'Business & Tax Advice' started by LukaB, Apr 14, 2011.

  1. LukaB

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    Hey Guys!
    Well I didn't want to share this before because I thought it was be abused, but who gives a damn.

    Well many hate Paypal, loads and loads, I don't hate it as much as others, why? Because I have a business account.

    Once you have a business account (you need same documents if you are making an online business account, for online use, I just set up a quick company wordpress site and that's it, I entered it as my company site in Paypal.

    Paypal treats business accounts much better, since they consider you are a serious person, who provides real details, having a real website. They do limit your account sometimes (My account hasn't been limited for a very long time), but you are still able to use all functions.
     
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  2. ash1ey

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    I've had a business account since around 2004, never once had a problem.
     
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    you bet they don't give a fuck, personal or business!

    one year I had 5 million of your english pounds that went through an account, selling PS2 consoles and software

    All from legit sources had invoices etc its not as if you could copy a PS2

    Had my own Paypal Account Manager, direct lines blah blah

    They still closed the account as they considered it high risk!

    I swallowed all the chargebacks and shit they reaped the profits yet still closed it

    Paypal = no thanks
     
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  4. LukaB

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    Well 2 million, on paypal? Comon man, $500 max.
     
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    Mate, I have experienced personal account and business, and I use my account much more when it's Business becuase I have more work etc, but I feel much safer, and they treat me better.
     
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    I have a personal premier at the moment but I'm considering to upgrade/create a new business account.
    Care to share what documents do they require at the time of registration?

    Cheers.
     
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    I have had an aged (7-8 years) business account limited just like a personal one.
     
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    it wasnt as if I was leaving it in there, that was a turnover figure and it was 5 million

    when they did not want to do further business there was only 800 in it

    However there are loads of sellers who must be turning over a few million a year---its not that unusual with some of the high volume high ticket items
     
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    With my personal and premiere accounts, I have never got any problem. I still haven't found a reason to upgrade yet.
     
  10. wanfirdaus

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    Yep2,my account recently got limited by them,just bcoz somebody send me $200 purchasing Android tablets on eBay,money came in from Fiverr gigs and Triond.


    They want the tracking number for Fiverr and Triond money lol

    WTF :jaw:
     
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    my business account was shut down for excessive chargebacks, because of that they also shut down my brothers business account who never had any; i had logged into his account from my IP address that my terminated account was using.
     
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    That's because before paypal was sued, they had a different contract for those accounts, which they couldn't change after the fact..all of those really old paypal accounts like 2000 -2005 i think, are under agreements which keeps them from being closed down for trivial reason, ill find the information i ran across it a few months ago.
     
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    when paypal went threw this law suit all of those old accounts were under different contracts or and legal agreements, so if u have a account from 1999 - 2004 your account is damn near golden, here's the info, I had a friend who sold xbox's for xmas and he had a really old pp account racked up 20,000 and had some fraud chargebacks his account is still good till this day but anyway this is a copy and paste of what happen


    Here is a copy of the email paypal sent out:

    IF YOU OPENED A PAYPAL ACCOUNT BETWEEN OCTOBER 1999 AND JANUARY 2004, YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO A PAYMENT FROM A CLASS ACTION SETTLEMENT.


    PLEASE READ THIS NOTICE CAREFULLY.


    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
    NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
    SAN JOSE DIVISION

    In re PayPal litigation
    Case No. CV-02-01227-JF (PVT)

    NOTICE OF PENDENCY OF CLASS ACTION AND PROPOSED SETTLEMENT


    1. WHY DID I GET THIS NOTICE?
    You have been sent this Notice because the records of PayPal, Inc. indicate you are a current or former PayPal account holder. This means you may be eligible to receive a payment from the proposed class action settlement in the lawsuit In re PayPal Litigation, Case No. 02 1227 JF PVT, pending in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California in San Jose. This Notice provides a summary of the terms of the proposed settlement. It also explains the lawsuit, your legal rights under the settlement, what benefits are available to you under the settlement, and how to get them.


    2. WHAT IS A CLASS ACTION?
    In a class action, one or more people, called Class Representatives (in this case Roberta Toher and Jeffrey Resnick), sue on behalf of people who have similar claims. All of these people are members of the Class. One court resolves the issues for all Class Members, except for those who exclude themselves from the Class. United States District Judge Jeremy Fogel is in charge of this class action.


    3. WHAT IS THIS LAWSUIT ABOUT?
    In early 2002, Plaintiffs Roberta Toher and Jeffrey Resnick filed separate lawsuits against PayPal, Inc. These two cases were later consolidated into one lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California, San Jose Division, entitled In re PayPal Litigation, Case No. CV 02 01227-JF (PVT). The lawsuit alleges that PayPal violated the federal Electronic Fund Transfer Act ("EFTA"), 15 U.S.C. 1693 et seq., including provisions requiring PayPal to supply customers with information about dispute resolution procedures and to follow certain procedures when investigating complaints of unauthorized or incorrect electronic fund transfers. For example, the lawsuit claims that PayPal did not provide account statements in the manner required by the EFTA. The lawsuit further alleges that PayPal has placed inappropriate restrictions or other limits on customers' accounts and engaged in other improper practices. Based on these practices, the lawsuit asserts claims under California state law for conversion, money had and received, negligence, and violations of consumer protection statutes.

    PayPal does not believe that it did anything wrong. In fact, PayPal disputes that the EFTA, originally passed in 1978, applies to its business. PayPal denies any and all liability for the claims alleged in the lawsuit. The Court did not decide in favor of the Plaintiffs or PayPal. Instead, beginning in the fall of 2003, the parties began a series of settlement negotiation sessions mediated by United States Magistrate Judge Edward Infante. Eventually, in November 2003, both sides agreed to a settlement in principle. By settling their claims, both parties avoided the uncertainty and cost of a trial. The settlement provides money and other benefits to the Class. On June 11, 2004, the parties entered into a formal, written Settlement Agreement, which is on file with the Court and available on the Internet at https://www.paypal.com/settlement/. By entering into the Settlement Agreement, PayPal is not admitting any wrongdoing. PayPal continues to believe that it did not do anything wrong. The Representative Plaintiffs and the attorneys appointed by the Court to represent the Class believe that the settlement is fair to Class Members. By this notice, the Court is not expressing any view on the merits of the lawsuit.


    4. HOW DO I KNOW IF I AM PART OF THE SETTLEMENT?
    On July 12, 2004, Judge Fogel entered an order granting preliminary approval of the settlement and certifying the following class for purposes of the settlement: All Persons who opened a PayPal account during the period from October 1, 1999 through January 31, 2004. Excluded from the class are any judicial officer to whom the lawsuit is assigned; PayPal and any of its affiliates; any current or former employee, officer, or director of PayPal; anyone who resides in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Finland, France, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, The Netherlands, or United Kingdom; and all persons who timely and validly request exclusion from the class pursuant to this notice.

    Thus, if you opened a PayPal account between October 1, 1999 and January 31, 2004, and are not one of the excluded persons listed above, you are a member of the class.


    5. WHO REPRESENTS ME IN THIS CASE?
    To represent the class, the Court has appointed Plaintiffs Roberta Toher and Jeffrey Resnick as Representative Plaintiffs and their counsel of record as Class Counsel. The Court has also appointed the following attorneys and law firms as Co-Lead Counsel:


    A. J. De Bartolomeo
    Girard Gibbs & De Bartolomeo LLP
    601 California Street, Suite 1400
    San Francisco, California 94108

    Robert C. Finkel
    Wolf Popper LLP
    845 Third Avenue
    New York, New York 10022

    6. WHAT DOES THE SETTLEMENT PROVIDE?

    A. Injunctive Relief

    The settlement requires that PayPal consent to the entry of an order, called an injunction, that mandates various changes to PayPal's business practices. PayPal has already implemented these changes. The injunction includes PayPal's agreement to comply with certain notice and error resolution procedures of the EFTA, and to follow certain procedures for limiting accounts and responding to and returning funds to customers whose accounts have been limited. A copy of this injunction can be found as Exhibit D to the Settlement Agreement, entitled "Form of Injunctive Order."

    B. Monetary Relief
    Under the settlement, PayPal will pay $9.25 million into a settlement fund, to be held in an interest-bearing account. The fund will be used (1) to make payments to class members who submit valid claims before the claims deadline; (2) to pay certain costs of giving notice to the Class and of settlement administration, as approved by the Court; and (3) to pay attorneys' fees and expenses to Class Counsel in the amount awarded by the Court. Class Counsel have proposed that, after deduction of notice and administrative costs and Class Counsel's attorneys' fees and expenses, the balance of the fund ("Net Settlement Fund") be applied in accordance with a written plan of allocation. (The following explanation is qualified in its entirety by reference to the Plan of Allocation attached to the Settlement Agreement as Exhibit C, a copy of which is on file with the Court and available on the Internet at https://www.paypal.com/settlement/.)


    1. Certain Definitions
    Certain capitalized words are used in this part of the Notice to describe the way in which the Net Settlement Fund will be allocated. These capitalized words have the following meanings:
    (a) "Released Persons" means PayPal and its past and present partners, affiliates, predecessors, successors, assigns, parents, subsidiaries, officers, directors, attorneys, and employees.

    (b) "Fund Claimants" are class members who submit timely, valid claims in accordance with the procedures described in this notice.

    (c) "Dispute Resolution Claimants" are Fund Claimants who contend that, prior to February 1, 2004, they:

    (i) experienced or reported to PayPal an unauthorized or incorrect electronic transfer to or from their PayPal account including, without limitation, electronic transfers initiated by (a) the Fund Claimant; (b) PayPal in connection with, among other things, chargebacks, refunds, buyer complaints, PayPal's Seller Protection Policy, Buyer Complaint Process and/or Buyer Protection Policy; or (c) any third party;

    (ii) had access to their PayPal account improperly, incorrectly or erroneously limited or restricted, in whole or in part;

    (iii) made a request for information in connection with PayPal's restriction or limitation of the Fund Claimant's PayPal account or regarding an incorrect or unauthorized electronic transfer to which PayPal did not respond at all or did not respond to the Fund Claimant's satisfaction.
    (d) "Statutory Damage Fund Claimants" are all Fund Claimants who are not Dispute Resolution Claimants.

    2. Statutory Damage Fund Claimants
    The plan of allocation designates $1 million of the Net Settlement Fund to a "Statutory Damage Fund," to be distributed equally among all Fund Claimants who are not Dispute Resolution Claimants. This means that if you are a member of the Class and do not fall within the definition of a "Dispute Resolution Claimant," as set out above, you can make a claim for a payment from the Statutory Damage Fund. The Statutory Damage Fund provides compensation for potential statutory damages under the Electronic Fund Transfer Act ("EFTA"), 15 U.S.C. 1693 et seq. Statutory damages under the EFTA are limited by law to no more than $500,000 for any class of individuals claiming "the same failure to comply." Plaintiffs' counsel contended in the litigation and for purposes of settlement that PayPal was potentially liable for multiple failures to comply, a position PayPal vigorously opposed.

    The Statutory Damage Fund Claim Form requires you to provide certain identifying information and sign a statement under penalty of perjury authenticating your claim, which may be subject to verification by PayPal's records. To make a claim for payment from this fund, please complete and submit the Statutory Damage Fund Claim Form available on the Internet at https://www.paypal.com/settlement/ in accordance with the instructions on the form.

    3. Dispute Resolution Claimants
    The balance of the Net Settlement Fund will be allocated for distribution to Dispute Resolution Claimants. If you fall within the definition of a "Dispute Resolution Claimant," as set out above, you have the right to make a Dispute Resolution Claim. You can choose to submit either the Short Claim Form or the Long Claim Form available on the Internet at https://www.paypal.com/settlement/. If the Court awards attorneys' fees and costs in the amount requested, Class Counsel estimate that there will be approximately $4.3 million to pay the claims of Dispute Resolution Claimants. Half of the money allocated to Dispute Resolution Claimants will be allocated to pay Short Form Claimants (the "Short Form Fund"). The other half will be allocated to pay Long Form Claimants (the "Long Form Fund").

    a. Short Form Claimants
    The Short Claim Form requires you to provide certain identifying information and sign a statement under penalty of perjury, which may be verified using PayPal's records, that you experienced an unauthorized or incorrect electronic transfer or an account limitation or denial of access to your account. If you make a timely, valid claim using the Short Claim Form, you will receive a payment of $50, unless the amount needed to pay all of the Short Form claims exceeds the Short Form Fund. In that case, the Short Form Fund will be divided equally among all Short Form Claimants. If the amount needed to pay all of the Short Form claims is less than the amount of the Short Form Fund, the money left over will be added to the Long Form Fund.

    b. Long Form Claimants
    The Long Claim Form requires you to provide certain identifying information; give the details of the account restriction(s) and/or unauthorized electronic fund transfer(s) you experienced; state the amount of your claim, and sign a statement, under penalty of perjury, which may be subject to verification by PayPal's records, that you actually suffered the claimed damages. You should also provide any documentation you have that will support your claim, as explained in more detail on the Long Form.

    If you make a timely, valid claim using the Long Claim Form, an independent, court-approved claims administrator will evaluate your claim and determine the amount you should receive. In making this determination, the claims administrator will take into account the amount of damages you claim; the nature of your complaint; the quality of the supporting documentation you provide; your recoverable damages; the probability that you would be successful on your complaint; and such other factors that the claims administrator considers relevant. If the amount needed to pay all of the Long Form claims is less than the amount of the Long Form Fund, the money left over will be added to the Short Form Fund.

    c. Balance after payment of Long Form and Short Form Claimants
    If there are sufficient funds to pay all Short Form and Long Form Claimants in full in accordance with the written plan of allocation, any remaining funds will be divided equally among all Dispute Resolution Claimants to supplement their recoveries.

    7. HOW DO I MAKE A CLAIM AND GET A PAYMENT?
    To make a claim for payment, please complete one of the claim forms (Statutory Damage Claim Form, Short Claim Form, or Long Claim Form) available on the Internet at https://www.paypal.com/settlement/. To make a valid claim, you will need to (1) fill out the claim form electronically and (2) print the signature page of your claim form, sign it and return it by mail to the address provided on the claim form. You must complete the claims procedure no later than October 23, 2004. Your payment will be transferred electronically to your PayPal account. If you do not have a current, unrestricted PayPal account or you indicate on the claim form that you prefer to receive a check, payment will be made in the form of a check, sent by first class mail to the address provided on the claim form. If you are paid by check, a $1.00 charge will be deducted from your payment to cover the cost of issuing and mailing the check. The claims administrator will not issue checks for less than $1.00. Such amounts will instead be reallocated to those claimants who are entitled to receive distributions.


    8. WHAT AM I GIVING UP IF I PARTICIPATE IN THE SETTLEMENT?
    If you do not exclude yourself from the class and the settlement is granted final approval, the judgment entered upon approval of the settlement will dismiss the lawsuit with prejudice, and will release any and all claims, demands, rights, liabilities, and causes of action of every nature and description whatsoever, known or unknown, matured or unmatured, at law or in equity, existing under federal or state law, that were or could have been asserted in the Litigation against the Released Persons, including without limitation, claims under the Electronic Fund Transfer Act, California Business and Professions Code 17200 et seq.; the California Consumers Legal Remedies Act, Cal. Civ. Code 1750 et seq.; and for PayPal's alleged conversion, breach of the User Agreement or other contract, money had and received, unjust enrichment, and negligence under California law or any other state or federal law arising out of, among other things, PayPal's restriction or limitation of accounts; PayPal's dispute resolution policies, practices and procedures; PayPal's debit of accounts following the receipt of chargebacks, buyer complaints, reports of unauthorized access or in connection with its Seller Protection Policy, Buyer Complaint Process or Buyer Protection Policy; PayPal's alleged conversion of funds; and PayPal's compliance with the Electronic Fund Transfer Act, 15 U.S.C. 1693 et seq., or any similar legislation arising under the laws of any state. You will be permanently barred from bringing any such claims that arose prior to February 1, 2004. With regard to accounts that were limited prior to February 1, 2004, however, you will not be releasing claims to recover any balance that remained in the account 180 days after the account was initially limited.

    In summary, if you do not exclude yourself, you will not be able to sue, continue to sue, or be part of another lawsuit against PayPal relating to the legal issues in this case. You will be bound by all proceedings, orders, and judgments entered in connection with the settlement, whether favorable or unfavorable, and will be represented by the Representative Plaintiffs and Class Counsel for purposes of the settlement. If you do not exclude yourself from the class, and the settlement is granted final approval, your claims against PayPal and its affiliates will be released as described above. If you are a class member, you may, if you wish, appear in this lawsuit through your own attorney at your own expense. You need not do so to participate in the settlement, however.


    9. WHAT IF I WANT TO EXCLUDE MYSELF (OPT-OUT) FROM THE SETTLEMENT?
    If you do not want to remain a member of the class and participate in the settlement, then you must mail or deliver (email is not considered adequate), such that it is RECEIVED on or before September 7, 2004, (1) an original written, signed request for exclusion to Co-Lead Counsel at the following address:

    Co Lead Counsel:
    PayPal Class Action Settlement
    A. J. De Bartolomeo
    Girard Gibbs & De Bartolomeo LLP
    601 California Street, Suite 1400
    San Francisco, California 94108
    and (2) a copy of the written signed request to PayPal's counsel at the following address:

    PayPal's counsel:
    PayPal Class Action Settlement
    Morgan Lewis & Bockius LLP
    One Market
    Spear Street Tower
    San Francisco, California 94105
    This request for exclusion must contain your name and address; be signed by you; and include the reference "In re PayPal Litigation, Case No. CV-02-1227-JF (PVT)."

    If you exclude yourself from the class, you will not participate in the settlement and cannot receive any payment from the settlement. Your claims will not be released.


    10. HOW WILL THE LAWYERS FOR THE CLASS BE PAID?
    From the inception of the litigation in early 2002 to the present, Class Counsel have not received any payment for their services in prosecuting the case, nor have they been reimbursed for any out-of-pocket expenses. If the Court approves the proposed settlement, Class Counsel will make a motion to the Court for an award of attorneys' fees of up to $3,332,500 and reimbursement of expenses of up to $135,000, to be paid from the $9.25 million settlement fund. Class Counsel will also seek reimbursement from the settlement fund on behalf of certain of the named plaintiffs in the litigation for reimbursement of their expenses related to their service as class representatives in the litigation, in an aggregate amount not to exceed $15,000. The motion will be heard at the settlement hearing described below in Section 11.

    Class Counsel's motion for an award of attorneys' fees and reimbursement of expenses is based on various factors that include the benefits obtained for the class through litigation. These benefits include the $9.25 million cash settlement and PayPal's agreement to the injunctive relief requirements. In addition, certain changes to PayPal's business practices are attributable in part to this litigation, including PayPal's decision to undertake to return to its customers approximately $5.1 million in those accounts to which access was limited for 180 days or more; modifications to PayPal's arbitration provision in its User Agreement and its replacement with a clause that limits PayPal's ability to compel arbitration where the total amount of the award sought is $10,000 or greater; and various other changes in PayPal's business practices during the pendency of the litigation.

    Class Counsel submitted their proposed request for attorneys' fees to the Magistrate Judge who had previously presided over discovery and settlement discussions. Class Counsel's request for attorneys' fees is equal to the amount recommended by the Magistrate Judge.


    11. WHEN AND HOW WILL THE COURT DECIDE WHETHER TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT?
    The Court will hold a hearing on September 24, 2004, at 9:00 a.m., before the Honorable Jeremy Fogel, United States District Judge, United States District Court for the Northern District of California, Courtroom 3, 5th Floor, 280 South First Street, San Jose, California 95113. The purpose of the hearing will be to determine (a) whether the proposed settlement should be approved as fair, reasonable, and adequate; (b) whether the application by Class Counsel for an award of attorneys' fees and expenses should be granted; and (c) whether the lawsuit and class members' claims should be dismissed with prejudice pursuant to the settlement. The Court reserves the right to adjourn or continue the hearing without further notice to the class.

    You may attend the hearing if you wish, but are not required to do so to participate in the settlement.

    If the settlement is not approved by the Court, the lawsuit will proceed. If there are further actions taken in the case that affect your rights, you will receive notice as determined by the Court.


    12. CAN I COMMENT ON THE SETTLEMENT?
    If you decide to remain in the class, and you wish to comment in support of or in opposition to the settlement or Class Counsel's motion for attorneys' fees and expenses, you may do so by mailing or delivering your written (non-email) comments, such that they are RECEIVED on or before September 3, 2004, as follows: (1) the original must be sent to the Court at the following address:

    Clerk of the Court
    United States District Court for the Northern District of California
    280 South First Street
    San Jose, California 95113
    and (2) copies must be sent to Co Lead Counsel and PayPal's counsel at the addresses listed in Section 9, above.

    Your written comments must contain your name and address; be signed by you; and include the reference In re PayPal Litigation, Case No. CV-02-1227-JF (PVT). If you wish to appear and present your comments orally at the hearing, your written comments must contain a notice that you intend to appear and be heard, a statement of the position you intend to present at the hearing, and any supporting arguments.

    If you do not comply with the foregoing procedures and deadlines for submitting written comments or appearing at the hearing, you will not be entitled to be heard at the hearing; contest or appeal from approval of the settlement or any award of attorneys' fees or expenses; or contest or appeal from any other orders or judgments of the Court entered in connection with the settlement.


    13. HOW CAN I GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT?
    You can get more information by writing Plaintiffs' Co-Lead Counsel electronically or by first class mail at:
    paypalsettlement@settlement4onlinepayments.com

    Girard Gibbs & De Bartolomeo LLP
    601 California Street, Suite 1400
    San Francisco, California 94108

    Wolf Popper LLP
    845 Third Avenue
    New York, NY 10022
    This notice is a summary and does not describe all details of the settlement. For full details of the matters discussed in this notice, you may wish to review the Settlement Agreement dated June 11, 2004 and on file with the Court or visit https://www.paypal.com/settlement/. Complete copies of the Settlement Agreement and all other pleadings and papers filed in the lawsuit are also available for inspection and copying during regular business hours, at the Office of the Clerk of the Court, United States District Court for the Northern District of California, 280 South First Street, San Jose, California 95113.



    PLEASE DO NOT TELEPHONE THE COURT REGARDING THIS NOTICE.

    DATED: July 12, 2004



    BY ORDER OF THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
     
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  14. lucius

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    well i tend to agree with some of the guys here..gaypal is a bitch, whether you have a personal account or a business one.
     
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    Paypal took my money out of my account without my permission because someone used a stolen credit card to buy what I was selling on Ebay. I had the money in my account for a couple days and then spent it, so I log into paypal and see I have a huge negative balance. The person that was responsible for the credit card that was stolen got their money back and I got the shaft. Paypal took me to credit agencies and everything. I ended up getting all of my money back because of that class action settlement. They have to notify you before they take money out of your account.
     
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    yeah they are a pain to deal with once things go wrong on a transaction
     
  18. Evan Foster

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    Let me TELEPHONE THE COURT REGARDING THIS NOTICE.
     
  19. peterchannn

    peterchannn Newbie

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    anyone has paypal asking for tax id ?
    does anyone know a work around ? thanks.
     
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    I do hate their currency conversion rates.