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Even Doctors Use Placebos: The Ethics of Blackhat Marketing

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  1. BlackhatPhilo

    BlackhatPhilo Newbie

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    Short post.

    Doctors deliberately prescribe drugs that can have no direct effect on a patient's recovery.

    E.g. prescribing antibiotics for common colds.

    This practice is justified by the fact that placebos are empirically proven to help patient to recovers, even though the reasons are purely psychological.


    So why is this any different to a Christian Telemarketer selling 'Holy Water'?

    The substance itself is somewhat irrelevant, what matters more is providing a positive psychological experience for the person you're targeting.

    TL;DR

    You shouldn't feel bad about selling shit, selling shit is empirically proven to have a positive effect on people.

    Focus on marketing better.

    From brain-boosting CPA duds, to self-help eBooks to local Russian girls redirecting to MyCams.

    The only thing that matters is the packaging.
     
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  2. bartosimpsonio

    bartosimpsonio Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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  3. BassTrackerBoats

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    Ok then.

    Round file material.

    OP, go ahead and expound on the above so the community gets some benefit from your concept please.
     
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  4. CyanJellyfish

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    I worked for a doctor for 6 years and the a big reason we might give an Rx is because it's expected of us. I remember one time a lady said she had problems with her eyes... well she was self medicating with CAT eye drops and it caused her eyes to become irritated and dilated - heck if it's good enough for my cat it's good enough for me right? But in seriousness, we had to do a lot of educating to tell them the difference between bacterial and viral infections...

    Not sure if your trying to get posts, or sell yourself the meds here...
     
  5. BlackhatPhilo

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    If my fake mind-boosting pills will infuse the buyer with the self-confidence to pursue tasks which will lead to intellectual growth, what I 'm doing is 'good' insofar as a doctor using working-placebos or useless surgeries (for psychological effect) is doing something 'good'.

    The intention behind this is irrelevant, since the outcome is the same.
     
  6. mickyfu

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    Antibiotics are a placebo?
     
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  7. BlackhatPhilo

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    Read 'Predictably Irrational' there was a section on this subject
     
  8. BlackhatPhilo

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    Prescribing them for viral infections makes no sense.

    Since they treat bacterial infections
     
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    Looks like another nonsense thread to me.


    OP you aren't trying to justify selling fake cancer meds are you? That would be OK to you?
     
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    Proof speaks louder than a random forum post.

    Just sayin'.
     
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    I would give you Reddit Gold if I could but this isn't Reddit and I don't have any money
     
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  12. BlackhatPhilo

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    Selling fake cancer meds may have a positive neurological effect on the sufferer.

    I've probably extended his/her lifespan.

    Doctors do this, albeit for more trivial illnesses.
     
  13. CyanJellyfish

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    Interesting I'm sure I'd run across many things that I've seen. People are an interesting bunch to say the least. What are you trying to say in the OP? That's what we are questioning. Are you trying to get us to agree with something?
     
  14. incomescout

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    Your analogy is flawed:

    Placebo medicine ACTUALLY helps people.

    A shitty product, no matter how "pretty" the packaging, will NOT help someone.

    If you purposely create a terrible product knowing some desperate person will buy it, that's not marketing- that makes you an asshole.
     
  15. Asif WILSON Khan

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    So selling a fake snakeoil medication may have a positive neurological effect on the sufferer.
    But you don't worry about returns because they will obviously die without proper treatment.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that the cancer won't go away with a "positive neurological effect"
     
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    So say bronchitis which can be a virus / bacteria. I guess the safe way to go is placebo?
     
  18. CyanJellyfish

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    And of course not: the person selling it is happy to market it and is happy when it is sold because that is the nature of the seller. On the buyer end... it's not so easy. They need a good product to satisfy their problem. Also they can have buyers remorse so simply buying something is not necessarily going to make them happier.
     
  19. BlackhatPhilo

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    An "anxiety destroying" pill can make someone more confident.

    So why not sell a dud and focus on marketing?

    If marketing is a sufficient condition to relieve anxiety why not just focus on it?

    You're doing good work, and you're making money.
     
  20. Asif WILSON Khan

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    OP obviously a teenager venturing out into blackhat for the first time, and thinks being a baddass and just making money is all that it is about.
    OP your ideology is flawed and will land you in trouble, suggest you learn the basics first.