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End of software like Hummingbird?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by netjedi, Jun 20, 2009.

  1. netjedi

    netjedi Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    One of the most controversial practices widely used to build up influence on Twitter is now cause for account suspension, according to a message on the Twitter developers email list from a company support team member.

    Using third party software to systematically add a large number of social connections each day, then break those connections with anyone who doesn't reciprocate, is a method used by some number of Twitter users to create an appearance of legitimacy for subsequent new connections. Twitter's Doug Williams said last night that such practices will now risk account suspension. Some users will be unhappy about the policy, many others will probably applaud it. There are valid arguments on both sides of the position.

    The issue was raised last night by developer Jesse Stay, one of the most consistently outspoken critics of Twitter policy and creator of the service SocialToo. Twitter's Doug Williams replied simply that "There is no limit to the number of unfollows. Using software to constantly churn followers in a repeated pattern of following and unfollowing will however risk suspension."

    Critics have long complained that many people on Twitter have artificially inflated their social network despite producing no meaningful content on the site. The use of friend-inflation software has put unscrupulous marketers in particular in a position to broadcast their messages to a much wider network of people than they have "earned." It's been effective because a quick glance at the friend-to-followers ratio on someone's Twitter account profile page has been the easiest way to judge the legitimacy of a new social connection. Getting a new connection and evaluating whether it's worth reciprocating costs time and energy - so most users don't appreciate impersonal automated social connections.

    Combine the ego-boost of having a stranger "follow" you with the fact that lots of other people are already following them back, and new users are often happy to reciprocate a new connection. It must be a good party I've been invited to, you might say, look how many other people are already here. All too often users end up feeling fooled into attending the Web 2.0 equivalent of a multi-level marketing pitch session.

    There's a widespread belief that "followers" on Twitter ought to be earned by a user's history of high-value contributions to conversation on the platform. The ability for users to discover other high-value people took a hit last month when Twitter made public replies from one user to another invisible for people not following the user being replied to.

    Media hacker Dave Winer argued this morning that Twitter itself is the biggest offender. By sending hundreds of thousands of people to follow accounts on its Suggested User List, Winer contends that the company engages in the same kind of unfair artificial inflation of follower numbers for a select group of accounts that haven't necessarily earned that high profile with high quality content.

    Users of automatic friend inflation software seem particularly offensive, though. They are often the most craven attention-seekers on the service, sometimes self-proclaimed "social media experts" who claim general legitimacy based on their large number of followers.
    On The Other Hand

    Not everyone will be happy with the Twitter policy of suspending accounts that have grown with the help of software. To draw a more favorable analogy, how different is this from automated promotional activities in other media?

    Do You Think Auto-friending Software Should Be Banned From Twitter?
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    No one is forcing people to follow-back accounts that friend them unexpectedly and have a lot of followers already. Shouldn't savvy users be responsible for evaluating an account's content quality themselves? When a social network has tens or hundreds of millions of users, is it not legitimate for businesses to use automatic methods to reach out to them?

    A discussion of the policy would seem to be a good idea, instead of an arbitrary suspension of accounts based on Twitter HQ's apparent belief about how the service ought to be used. There is a small cottage industry formed already around "friend acquisition software" for Twitter. On one hand, it's an old-world business person's dream come true - just throw a little money at some software and gain thousands of friends! On the other hand, Twitter is an important new communication platform that represents the democratic and meritocratic hopes of many innovative people. It's also just a nice place to hang out and talk with friends, without someone trying to sell you things. Should we all be left to our own devices for building status, if that's important to us, on Twitter?

    Will this be the end of twitter software's??

    Doug Williams posted this
    There is no limit to the number of unfollows. Using software to constantly
    churn followers in a repeated pattern of following and unfollowing will
    however risk suspension.

    Thanks,
    Doug


    Will we get banned for using software like hummingbird to remove? Or perhaps huitter??
     
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  2. TermsB

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    Bulk unfollows are the only way short of massive spamming and DM spam that I've ever been able to manage to get a Twitter account banned. Twitter has profiles in place in random spots all over Twitter than just following gets you a nice little account review. That's just why you don't keep all your eggs in one basket. Make multiple accounts, follow 1k people, move on to the next account.
     
  3. netjedi

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    But i have a account of 29K lol.
    Been doing them manually to 17k and hummingbird to 29k now.
    I unfollow after one week. Thats like Unfollowing 3k at once using huitter.
    Should i stop doin tat?
     
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    Yes, you should stop doing that or find a tool that offers delayed unfollowing. If your tweets are semi-legit I wouldn't worry too much about the possibility of reviews either.
     
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    My tweets are legit lol. I don't spam nor do i post links to my blogs and all.
    Its actually my personal twitter account and known many people there.
    So needed to know if i should remove my followers using huitter.
     
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    I like the poll, because no one making money off twitter gives a fuck if people think it should be banned ;)

    Anyways, it's pretty easy to stay under the radar. Have a Picture and Profile information. Do reasonable tweets such as going for a walk. When you do advertise, don't do someting idiotic like "FREE CASH afflink". Also, don't have it be bit.ly, everybody uses that, just spend $10 and get a .COM with a redirect.

    And now with that new thing, just unfollow slowly and set a timer, like 1 unfollow every minute or something and leave it on all day.
     
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    How do u set timer? lol.. curious to know tat. Im using hummingbird currently. I remove followers that way. Easy :) unless we can use hummingbird to go through 10pages in an hour. Then follow by 10 pages the following hour. What do u think bout tat?
     
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    I'm using Twitter Friend Blaster pro or something like that, you can set a timer with it. Or just set up a mouse macro to unfollow like 2 pages and then wait a minute, repeat. You will probably unfollow some mutual followers but it's better than a banzor. Or you can just massively create accounts and get 300 followers with each of them, no need to unfollow then ;)
     
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    I'll look into that. thanks :D
    also see what people are doing.
    We'll find our way around this dumb rule
     
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    Errr... I dont see how this is "new" news. Troll through any of the make money with twitter threads and you will find a bunch of people getting banned. Its part of life. You cant expect to mass add friends on ANY social platform and not risk a suspension.

    As for adding/removing friends with a delay. To me it seems illogical. UNLESS twitter is using their OWN api in their own website, (I find unlikely, but possible and it has been seen before e.g Reddit), Then they already know if you are using an "application" to add friends or not.

    I guess anyone who knows a little about programming will know what im talking about. All twitter bots run on twitter's API which Twitter make freely available. They could quite simply log which accounts are adding/removing mass friends through the API, and not through their website. Which means that adding a delay doesn't mean squat. They still know you are using some sort of application to add and remove friends.

    In anycase the easiest way to solve this is to remove the "add friends" api call unless you have a developer key. I very much doubt it will break too many applications.

    Lol and with this all being said. Im one of the developers making Twitter Friend Adders :p
     
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    LoL.. so does your Twitter Friend Adder work on this situation? :p
    Either way if we manually MASS add or so, we still have to remove them.
    How to we MANUALLY remove them?
    Its like how do u remove 500 people lol.
    Anyway hummingbird does takes API right? That was what i read. is it true?
    I've been following 1000 people a day and removing them without any problem actually.
    Till i read this news today lol
     
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    Well yes mine uses the API. If you didnt use the API, the software would be incredibly slow. Mine, livelybrowsers, hummingbird all use API. Infact i am very doubtful that there would be software out there that doesnt, it is possible, but certainly unlikely due to speed.

    Well thats right, and you bring up a good issue. Even things like twitter karma which are well known to all of the twitter community, not just BH'ers. Still use the API to remove, and there is nothing about removing friends which dont follow that screams that your bot.

    I guess its just the frequency you do it at. The point that i was getting in my previous post, was that althought the frequency will be important in not getting banned. It doesnt matter if you set a delay, twitter still knows that your a bot :)
     
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    LoL.. thanks for pointing that out.
    Anyway i thought hummingbird doesn't use API?
    That was what i read somewhere before though lol.

    No matter who, no matter how, people will use twitter karma, huitter and so on. Its just the only way to remove followers.
     
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    LoL.. i did, BUT.. i know a lot of people who uses hummingbird and so on. One of my friend, has 49k followers built on hummimgbird. He didn't get banned. LoL.. i think the best way is to seem legit in every single way. No DM's etc.. just act normal

    Post tweets,
    RT tweets,
    chat with people.

    I've been using hummingbird as well. Up to today. I have 30k followers.

    Hopefully i don't get banned lol.. otherwise i'll be ... #*&!%#*!&^!*^*#!^*#
     
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    out the tool. It's how you use it that gets you banned. ;)
     
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    Lol. Well tbh i only assume hummingbird uses the API due to all the hooplah around it. If it doesnt... Well then... Wtf.
     
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    Very true.. :) finger crossed i dun get banned.
     
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