Employer Unethical? Or is it just me?

unethical. sounds like my old job where you didn't "promote" in you personal free time them "maybe this isn't the company for you"
 
Unethical? No. Lame? Yes. No Tact? Yes. I have worked for worse bosses who loved to make headgames like that look like childs play. Just roll with the punches until your online income can hopefully replace it someday!
 
That bad part is I have been with them for almost two years and this isn't the first time that have pulled shit like this. I know I need to get out and yea it wears on me pretty bad.
 
what a DB...they should be inclusive rather than exclusive...keep working if you need the benefits for you and your family but start focusing on your own biz in the off hours, build up 6 months of income for emergency, then tell the boss to shove it ...

JQ
 
you have to do a bit of a reading on what the employment laws are were you live, some of the managers supervisors will take advantage of the fact you don't know about the laws. if you are going to be an employer at one time or another "a distiller will need assistants employees" better freshen up on the local employment laws.
Good luck
Suave
 
I already know they are assholes. I was asking the thoughts of people here in the forum. If you have a real thought about what happened then feel free to contribute. I do not need a pat on the back, thanks.

OK, here is the real though (it is going to hurt though).

There is no such thing as ethical and unethical. You are on BHW you should
know that ethic is situational and it is different for different people.

So, take responsibility for your own life and don't blame your employer or
anyone or anything else.

End of rant.
 
Your in trucking, the only place in the world with a higher % of scams than the internet. The difference is no one EVER gets prosecuted for scamming in the trucking industry.
 
I don't think "unethical" applies here. Unless you can explain the ethics involved here. I very much doubt that it's an ethical issue because that would imply that there was some grand, overarching scheme to accomplish a positive result for management by resorting to underhanded means to accomplish it, and I see nothing positive for manangement.

I'd like to take a guess that this is either a fairly small, family-owned company, is not a US company, or both. How right am I?


Because "she" sounds like an incompetent and unprofessional flake with a hate-on towards certain kinds of employees. Authoritarian at first. Did she discover requiring a meeting meant she had to PAY them? If so, did she change her mind, decided to go all "girly" and make it into a "breakfast serverd" party instead? And then, were her little girl feelings hurt when no one came to the tea party with all the dolls dressed up in Victorian doll dresses and a bunch of lumpy and grubby guys with hard hats mentally undressing the boss with their eyes?

Maybe she's pissed because she didn't get her "Grubby Men in Hard Hats Gang Bang". (BTW, how fat is she?)

Is this DADDY'S company? Are these people Asians? (That would explain the reluctance to pay wages for a mandatory meeting, lol...)

Sorry, got lost in all the permutations and variations. Have I mentioned she's an unprofessional flake with highly repressed and hostile sexual urges demanding to be fulfilled by multiple men in public?

But not unethical, no.

Why are you working for an organized gang of horny asian women that serve-up men's testicles for breakfast, but don't pay you for them? You'd be better off driving a McDonalds delivery truck, cause bah-dap-bap-bap-BAH! You'd be Lovin' It !
 
I don't think "unethical" applies here. Unless you can explain the ethics involved here. I very much doubt that it's an ethical issue because that would imply that there was some grand, overarching scheme to accomplish a positive result for management by resorting to underhanded means to accomplish it, and I see nothing positive for manangement.

I'd like to take a guess that this is either a fairly small, family-owned company, is not a US company, or both. How right am I?


Because "she" sounds like an incompetent and unprofessional flake with a hate-on towards certain kinds of employees. Authoritarian at first. Did she discover requiring a meeting meant she had to PAY them? If so, did she change her mind, decided to go all "girly" and make it into a "breakfast serverd" party instead? And then, were her little girl feelings hurt when no one came to the tea party with all the dolls dressed up in Victorian doll dresses and a bunch of lumpy and grubby guys with hard hats mentally undressing the boss with their eyes?

Maybe she's pissed because she didn't get her "Grubby Men in Hard Hats Gang Bang". (BTW, how fat is she?)

Is this DADDY'S company? Are these people Asians? (That would explain the reluctance to pay wages for a mandatory meeting, lol...)

Sorry, got lost in all the permutations and variations. Have I mentioned she's an unprofessional flake with highly repressed and hostile sexual urges demanding to be fulfilled by multiple men in public?

But not unethical, no.

Why are you working for an organized gang of horny asian women that serve-up men's testicles for breakfast, but don't pay you for them? You'd be better off driving a McDonalds delivery truck, cause bah-dap-bap-bap-BAH! You'd be Lovin' It !

Unethical may be the wrong word, but it does seem that this was planned on her part. She premeditated the whole event and knew what she would do if the outcome was what she suspected. Methodical and calculated..so maybe she does see it as a possitive result because she proved herself correct.
 
OK, here is the real though (it is going to hurt though).

There is no such thing as ethical and unethical. You are on BHW you should
know that ethic is situational and it is different for different people.

So, take responsibility for your own life and don't blame your employer or
anyone or anything else.

End of rant.

Wtf kind of theory is that? Ethics doesn't apply to a lot of things on BHW that's true, but it does apply in the real world. Have you lived outside of the forum?
 
>> "To All Other Driver: It is unfortunate that our drivers do not have the energy, the time nor feels that safety is a priority to include it in their schedule."

I would have wrote back:

To All Management: It is unfortunate that our managers do not see fit to devote company time to teaching us the latest on-the-job safety techniques available. Since safety education is so important, I vote that it should be included in our work schedule.
 
Unethical may be the wrong word, but it does seem that this was planned on her part. She premeditated the whole event and knew what she would do if the outcome was what she suspected. Methodical and calculated..so maybe she does see it as a possitive result because she proved herself correct.

That sounds convoluted and weird, and does not have that ring of truth, i.e. "resonance". I don't know what the truth is, but that doesn't feel like it. It feels more like you own personal bias and/or paranoia being used to explain the sitaution. I think it says more about you than about what really happened and why.
 
its pretty stupid but I dont know about unethical. they are rewarding those who went the extra mile. nothing wrong with that.

Here 's how it works (at least where I live)

The state is funding seminars. The companies do not care about the actual seminars but try to do as many as they can get approved because they get paid by the "head".

So, that employer tried to make some extra money on the tax payers expense (you), the "headcount" was low, he was pissed and exposed how lowlife he is.

Simple as that. :) Now, if you are dependent on the job, just go to the darn "seminar", keep your eyes open and fuck him when you get the chance. ;) Remember, always chose your battles!

And always work on your plans to quit making other people rich (job). :)
 
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That sounds convoluted and weird, and does not have that ring of truth, i.e. "resonance". I don't know what the truth is, but that doesn't feel like it. It feels more like you own personal bias and/or paranoia being used to explain the sitaution. I think it says more about you than about what really happened and why.

It sounds like the average boss from hell to me. It may be unethical, I'm not sure where it lies legally, but you have to admit it's clever. And if the tables were turned I'm sure you would see it as a quite clever way to cut costs.

But yes op, it does seem that your boss is a c u next tuesday. She's not exactly in the minority though. In fact I think it's probably a prequisite to being successful business people.

I would have wrote back:

To All Management: It is unfortunate that our managers do not see fit to devote company time to teaching us the latest on-the-job safety techniques available. Since safety education is so important, I vote that it should be included in our work schedule.
Risky and would probably make life difficult. Surely you guys have a union to go to for this anyway? I like your thinking though tony-raymondo.
 
I would have wrote back:

To All Management: It is unfortunate that our managers do not see fit to devote company time to teaching us the latest on-the-job safety techniques available. Since safety education is so important, I vote that it should be included in our work schedule.

That's just dumb. You don't say that. You never say anything like that. If you really mean something like that, you don't screw around, waste time and energy getting into some "us vs. them" pissing contest with your employer, what you do is QUIT, as in get the fuck out, don't ever go back and find something better.

This whole notion that "we the workers of the world unite" is pure bullshit. No one gets rich by associating themselves with the disgruntled and inadequate drones too stupid and/or scared to quit a bad job and find another one. If your job sucks find another one. If you can't quit (for whatever reason) STFU and get about the business of earning a living.

Someone else's lack of professionalism and stupidity does not justify your own, even if it is the "boss". If your boss is stupid and unprofessional, that's called being an OPPORTUNITY for you to get that job, and the pay and responsibility that comes with it. I've seen asshole bosses replaced by patient subordinates several times in my life. One became the head of a department of a full-size corporation with less than 9 months on the job. Also, don't take stupid advice from people destined to become losers, the best you can hope for is to become just like them. This is your place of employment, where you earn a living, and not the f*cking Jerry Springer show. If you get caught up in the superficial drama, you'll eventually be swept out with the rest of the trash.

(Disclaimer: Not aimed at the OP or anyone else in particular, I'm just in a bad mood and using this post to blow off some steam. Thanks, lol...)
 
They are not being unethical, they are just being dickhead employers. The way I look at it is that if it is important enough for me to be there, it is important enough to be scheduled during normal working hours.
 
my thoughts? fuck a job. i would rather be poor than have a job
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Wtf kind of theory is that? Ethics doesn't apply to a lot of things on BHW that's true, but it does apply in the real world. Have you lived outside of the forum?

There is no Ethical. With capita E. Ethical means whatever it means to each
individual. For example, if some Middle Eastern countries if is highly
unethical if you don't do blood revenge. If you don't go and kill eye-for-an-eye
style, you're highly unethical son of a bitch. In Mongolia it is highly unethical
if you go to someone's place, eat with them and don't fart at the end.

There are countless example of these. Broaden your horizons.

What is "ethical" for you means shit to other people. You can play the blame
game for the rest of you life or take responsibility. The choice is yours.
 
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