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EMD wars: why does thsi guy outrank me? Should I start over with a new domain?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by turdface, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. turdface

    turdface Supreme Member

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    From 2009 until 2012 I had an EMD that was #1 in Google. My domain is kw1-kw2-kw3.com. It's a 3 word phrase EMD.

    My main competitor was another guy who was usually in the second position. His domain is kw1kw2kw3.com. It's the same 3 word phrase EMD as mine except it doesn't have hyphens.

    In 2012 I got knocked from position 1 out of the top 300. In the last month or so it has come back onto page 9 but sometimes drops off again. Here you can see exactly when it happened:

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    My site has higher values in every regard except age. Here is a comparison:

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    When my site got knocked out of the SERPs, I figured maybe I got penalized for some SEO tactics. I had never done anything spammy at all to my site, so I submitted a reconsideration request. Google replied and said nothing looked unnatural and my site was just fine.

    The only thing I can think of is that my URL has hyphens. I'm wondering if I should buy a new domain without hyphens and start over, or if I should just use some high PR links to target my site or what.

    kw1-kw2.com is available now and that is a good domain but has a hyphen in it and I'm kind of suspicious of hyphens now.

    If I buy a new domain I would lose the age of my old domain. If I buy a new domain should I 301 the old one to the new one?
     
  2. kharm

    kharm Power Member

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    Get traffic from other areas or keep building backlinks - why even care about this guy unless you want to steal content from his website?
     
  3. davids355

    davids355 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Do you update your site regularly? Maybe it's something to do with that - maybe you need some fresh content?


    also, what's your on page SEO like?
    strange to have gone so far out of the SERPS with so few backlinks.


    what sort of stats do other sites on page 1 have?
     
  4. SmartMan

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    It'd be much easier to suggest you the best recovery strategy if you can post a much closer screenshot of your Analytics traffic stats between Mar and July 2012. From the above screenshot, It looks like the traffic dropped since the last week of May 2012? If that's when you lost the ranking, then it clearly is the penguin 2(not penguin 2.0) formerly called as penguin 1.1 penalty. Also you said that it came back to the 9th page last month so it's definitely the manual penalty which is set to expire in 365 days/a year.

    Without looking at your actual link profile, it's hard to pinpoint the exact reason which is holding your rankings. You can PM me the backlink URL's of both yours and your competitor's if you want me to analyze and tell you how to fix it.

    Your site is free from the penalty now so there's no need to buy a new domain and do the 301. Since you have only a handful of links, it's not that complicated to push it back to #1.
     
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  5. nickcookies

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    Probably sameone negative seo to you site.

    Posted via Topify using Android
     
  6. nitinsy

    nitinsy Junior Member

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    Is the content unique?

    Add social signals, more quality backlinks and you should be set. Hyphen is not good but definitely not something that will cause your site to be pushed out of the serps
     
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    If he started outranking you since the 25 june, just wait for the dust to settle down mate, there is an outgoing update till the 4th of july and you can see a lot of ackward search results.

    However you might ask yourself some questions.

    Hows your link building velocity ?
    Are you publishing new article as the same frequency as he does ?
    Do you have the same social signals ?
    Is he using a private blog network blocked from ahrefs majesticseo etc etc ...
     
  8. ArtVandelay

    ArtVandelay Power Member

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    To quote danailo in this thread:
    I now realize that you already know of this thread and this answer, since you commented on it.
    Nevertheless - for posterity! Here is an opinion on that!
     
  9. turdface

    turdface Supreme Member

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    I thought I was clear about this in my original post but maybe I wasn't. I was #1 for years and he was #2. Now he is #1 and I am sometimes on page 9 and sometimes nowhere. Therefore I care about him because he ranks #1 for the same keywords but my site has higher values for all comparisons except age.

    As you can see from the table I posted, he has only 3 pages of content and I have over 30. I update my site much more regularly than he does.

    It's fine. Two percent keyword density with handwritten content. The niche is a hobby of mine so I can write about it easily.

    Yeah I thought it was weird, too.

    A few of the backlinks are sites that took EZA articles I posted, spun them, and kept the links intact. I have no control over those since there are sites that do that for 1000s of articles.

    Mostly subpages on higher authority sites and forum threads.

    I don't think this is the case for two reasons:

    1) no bad links show up in a backlink search
    2) when I submitted my site for reconsideration Google said there was no negative link activity detected

    Yes.

    I've never seen conclusive evidence that social signals do anything. That being said, I made a Facebook page for my site and it gets likes organically. No one else on page 1 has any social signals at all; especially not the guy in position 1.

    I'm not so sure about that.

    It goes until the 4th of July? Maybe I'll check back in 2 weeks and see.

    It's fine. It's pretty slow, and he doesn't build links, so it's faster than him.

    As shown on the table I posted in the first post, he only has 3 pages of indexed content, and it has been that way for years, so he does not post new content. One of his pages is a privacy policy so he really only has 2 pages of content.

    I have Facebook, he has none. I don't think social signals have anything to do with long term SEO, though.

    I doubt it. His site isn't even monetized so I don't know why he would go to that much trouble just for an information site with a few pages of content.

    That was the post that inspired this thread.
     
  10. C@MEL

    C@MEL Regular Member

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    Google these days, pff..

    Hopefully you get higher soon, maybe just a dance or something (which is strange if you where on #1 for over a year).

    Goodluck.
     
  11. Gyuman82

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    URLs have hyphens? lol that's not why sites are sent from #1 to 300 +

    Um the answer to your question is quite simple (and apparently every poster before has missed)

    Your competitor has stronger links than you.

    You reference "Moz Metrics" which are dubious at best. I have many sites that have DA/PA of 50+ that are spammed da F*#T out.

    Do a further indepth backlink analysis and you will find your competitor has got more goin on than you in terms of better links.

    Also what was your linkbuilding like? You say you didn't do anything "spammy", but you got to #1 somehow. So what was it?

    It has nothing to do with hyphenated domains and crap.

    It's all about the links.
     
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  12. turdface

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    Suggestions for how to do this? The only methods I know of are ahrefs.com and opensiteexplorer.com. Well there's backlinkwatch.com but it's not that good.
     
  13. Gyuman82

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    Try SEO Spyglass. There is a free version you can use.

    Also assuming your content is unique and site is optimized properly, you didn't get smacked because of "hyphens"

    You got smacked because of your links period.
     
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    Right now micrositemasters.com says I'm #54 in Google but when I checked manually I'm not on the first 10 pages. I'm #2 in Yahoo and Bing.
     
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    It's true that it's all about the links but its the same links which caused him a manual penalty for his main keyword. Also I have seen that the Moz Metrics are quite high for his competitor's site with just 2 backlinks and I thought to explain it to him in much detail after analyzing his link profile. Looks like he doesn't want to do that.lol It's pretty clear that a couple of toxic backlinks pointing to the OP's site is what holding the rankings.
     
  16. turdface

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    Should I disavow the ones from the sites that copy EZA's articles, spin them, and keep the original link intact?

    I'm #119 according to Serpfox.
     
  17. turdface

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    So you guys are saying the penalty has nothing to do with the hyphens?
     
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    See this is the answer to your question. If you have links from sites using "spun content", then yes you have a spammy profile despite your earlier statement of not having any.

    Regardless to fix your site just focus on getting some quality links (paid, blog network, guest posting, link outreach) and your rankings will return.
     
  19. SmartMan

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    Yeah, Most likely it's the ones sending out adverse link juice. I'd contact the webmaster of that site and request him to remove the link before submitting it to the Disavow tool. It really helps to speed up the Disavowal process when you show them you put some effort in cleaning up the links. They may also the ones that's boosting your Moz Metrics so build a few other backlinks from sites in your niche that has a high DA / PA while Disavowing the toxic links.
     
  20. turdface

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    It looks like a lot of my links are from shitty wikis that basically copied wikipedia.com's article (where I have a link).

    I remember a few years ago everyone was making a wiki but I didn't know all these sites were copying regular wikipedia and pasting my link. That shouldn't hurt anything though, right?

    I found over 100 links in Webmaster tools, most of which are from sites that I had no idea were linking to me (wikis and content farm sites that just copy other sites).