Email Marketing with non-opted emails

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  1. ShiningWarrior

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    Hey, I would like to know some things on email marketing with scraped emails -

    1) AWeber does NOT allow this but GetResponse and MailChimp do. Should I go with one of these or is there any other service you guys use for this?

    2) Saw some people doing email marketing using Gmail (lol yeah haha) and Gmail banned their account which was obvious. So, my question is I will be doing either via GetResponse or MailChimp or such so what kind of ban or issue can I face?

    3) These are highly niche targeted peoples. So, is it totally unethical? I mean I am NEVER gonna spam them as I hate spam myself to my core. I am just gonna go light and not too hard with this. Not gonna try to shove the products or offers down their throat. I will go lightly on this. So, it is totally unethical?

    Please help me out on this.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. blogzandstuff

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    Have you heard of GDPR? You are sending emails which doesn't have consent
     
  3. ShiningWarrior

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    Yes I heard. Thought it was only for EU?
     
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    Just remember it's the email recipient's nationality, not the country. So if someone living in the US but are a EU resident it falls under GDPR, so they could get your list closed as you are spamming
     
  5. Unreliable Witness

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    It is only for the EU.

    You don't need consent. You can process data under legitimate interests as well.

    The ICO guidance is at https://ico.org.uk/for-organisation...on-legitimate-interests/#marketing_activities

    If you use legitimate interests, you have to weigh up whether the benefit is worth the infringement of privacy or risk of harming the recipient.

    The interest can be all yours - the interests of the recipient don't have to be taken into account.

    Last time I looked, MailChimp didn't like scraped e-mails either. I think the reason is more to help their own businesses maintain good relationships with e-mail providers like GMail (reduce spam and keep open rates high).

    There is nothing illegal about sending a message to a scraped address such as [email protected].
     
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  6. blogzandstuff

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    The laws are being misunderstood by so many, at the end of the day, you don't have permission, so you are spamming. You just need to decide if this business model is worth the effort. I've reported four this week for emailing me without my consent
     
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    What are the repercussions for the sender?

    His mailing account gets shut down if he is using one of the generic ones out there?
     
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    i thought you can get majorly ass fucked doing this ? like thousands upon thousands of dollars in fines.

    I have read a couple articles in the past and even seen on the uk news, where the company was able to do it for a little while and then eventually were investigated and put away to prison with huge fines to pay.
     
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    Bit of a nightmare
    The Privacy and Electronic Communications Regulations (PECR) sit alongside the Data Protection Act and the GDPR. They give people specific privacy rights in relation to electronic communications.
    https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-pecr/what-are-pecr/
    Most ordinary people will just flag it as spam, so they won't actually see it
     
  10. ShiningWarrior

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    Thanks for the insight on this mate. As you said MailChimp does not allow, what would you advise me to use for this?
     
  11. Unreliable Witness

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    I used MailChimp and ticked that I had consent. I made sure that the list I uploaded was credible as people who might have opted in. It was only around 10,000 recipients - all B2B and likely to be interested in what I was selling.
     
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    Alright, so I just have to select the consent option when uploading the text file containing the emails right?

    And how was the response of those emails from those peoples and how much was the conversion rate, if you don't mind me asking?
     
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    Yep. Just tick the box.

    The response rate was good. The ultimate sales conversion rate was 5%, so the CTR to the offer must have been about 10%. I don't know what the open rate was.

    It was an offer that was needed by the recipients.
     
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    Good LUCK with GDPR in EU ;)
     
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    Perfect. 5% is actually good :)

    And was it an affiliate product or CPA offer?
     
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    i dont think the problams are worth doing .

    there no afflicates that accept such email conversions .

    if you get caught you will get fined .

    be warned spam can lead to prision .

    only takes 1 compliant and your in big shite .

    remember they follow the money so if a afflicate got your address they will give it to authroties it law be warned .

    you not just sending spam your also frauding your afflicate .
     
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    Prison? wow
     
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    Be aware spammers! The EU is building new prisons all over the Europe so they can accommodate hundreds of thousands new prisoners.
    GDPR police will come after you and arrest you no matter where in the world you're hiding.


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    These people weren't compliant with new GDPR laws
     
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    Who are those people lol
     
  20. SamLewis

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    Last month just before GDPR I set up 3 mailchimp accounts and uploaded 5000 accounts accross the 3 accounts, mailchimp only allows 2000 on the free accouns. The 5000 accounts were scraped which I didn't have permission to email. I said I did. At around 7% unsubscribe rate I got a warning off of mailchimp. I maxed at about 10% unsubscribe rate but mailchimp didn't do anything.