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Email marketing autoresponders f-cking PITA

Discussion in 'Blogging' started by waitier, May 6, 2016.

  1. waitier

    waitier Power Member

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    So .. I know this is kind of old, but I just read franklin hatchets' method of using email responders to send out a quick email for people who subscribed.

    It all seems nice and dandy and easy, and the getresponse he suggested, well it failed big F time. Why? Because their so called automated system detected I am high risk and thinks Im using it for spam.

    Now it would make sense to use all legit info while signing up which I obviously didn't, because they say "your info will be published with every single fking email sent out".

    So fine, lets let the world know who I am and where I live. The obvious part is that most of these one hit mass spam marketers dont actually use such systems because they don't want people to know their details.

    I went on to sendgrid, gave in all my real details, and BAM, the same stupid email telling me I am suspicious of sending spam because why? My domain doesn't have enough content. Oh great, now their "spam check" system went so far as to verify that automatically on the fly!

    Needless to say, I'm now stuck with 2 choices. Mailchimp works, their verification isn't that strict, i don't know, i did that long ago, but hey they allow me to change the footer personal details when i am setting up a campaign. But, their free plan doesnt allow autoresponder.

    So the last of the last is using mailpoet with PHP mail. If anyone has any idea how I can get passed this without all these "check", please let me know.
     
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  2. MonteCarlos

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    Well, looks like you need a mass mailer program (like SendBlaster), together with your own self-hosted smtp server (for delivering the emails) and auto-responder script. Have you tried any of these?
     
  3. dabandit

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    Spammers don't use those systems. They self-host, snowshoe their emails and minimize the risk of losing the sending machine holding the data by use GRE tunnels to hide its location. Most only focus on a sole freemium provider (AOL, Gmail, Hotmail or Yahoo) or go GI (anything not the big four).
     
  4. waitier

    waitier Power Member

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    That seems like a whole lot of setup for someone who wants to experiment with this method. It was supposed to be a fast, one-hit test and bam bam it works out of the box.

    If I had to configure that much of things to get what's suppose to be a simple task, then I might as well not use this method at all.

    It makes sense for him because he already has setup all his stuff before he signed up for those services, and he isn't from a 3rd world country like where I am, so those systems won't mark him as a spammer.

    In all reality, I wouldn't even call it spamming. In all my intention was really just to setup an autoresponder but hey, they think i'm all out to spam.

    I'll use the server's PHP mail while i figure out all those above that you guys have suggested.
     
  5. dabandit

    dabandit Junior Member

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    By the way, was the list purchased or scraped? If not, can you post one of your emails you sent? Post the full source with the intact headers.
     
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  7. mirrorer

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    It has nothing to do with where you are from nor with the method.

    Also not having content on your domain is not an issue either.

    Any legit ESP (Email Service Provider) is required by law to include your mailing details in on way or another at the bottom of your email or through a visible link in order to be CAN-SPAM compliant.

    If they mark you as high risk mailer there are few reasons:

    1.You didn't read their TOS and most likely you're in a niche which they don't allow.Such niches are: loans,HYIP,Get rich quick and some more.90% of ESP's don't allow those niches or are very strict.
    2.You're using words that tiger their Spam filters either on your subject or body.
    3.You're using domains or urls that are blacklisted.
    4.You are sending emails to people without their consent or they don't remember who you are.
    5.You're emailing too fast,think reputation first, start slowly & warm it up before.


    Take this advice from someone who has tried everything,from self hosted & all major esp's.
     
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  9. waitier

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    @mirrorer funny thing is, i have not even set up anything nor tell them my niche is in those spammy ones. Not a single email is sent out, because I don't even have a list yet. It's the exact niche that Franklin H is promoting, make money online. There are tons of people who are in that niche and using all those ESP to send out mails. The method is exactly it, leads collected through my form and not scrapped list.

    The only trigger they deemed me as spammer, is because the first one i tried getresponse, I put a different address than where I am located at. Now it would make sense to not fake CC info, and I have a legit CC from a real local bank. I don't fake CC info because I know it will be rejected straight out. I've signed up to many services so I know that first hand. But apparently to them, faking my "person/company in charge and it's corresponding handling address" is a fking crime? I'm in a country where people know it's major fraud/scam/spam, so providing that info on the bottom of the autoresponder seems to tell them I'm a scammer automatically.

    Then I thought, ok maybe I think too much, lets tell the world where I am, who I am. So I went to the 2nd provider and provided all legit info, and before I could set up anything they sent me a email saying they can't process my account because I provided fake info, apparently my ISP is dynamic and my city and state is not that big, but they don't fking care, they want the info to be exactly where the ISP is. Plus a bunch of thing they deemed Im a spammer.

    From the first email by getresponse, they said they used some kind of a AI hive cluster bullshit to check for discrepancy, and i believe every ESP uses that stupid system. Found it : qA44SU3.png

    So now I'm required to send in my gov ID and utility bills and all those shit that only paypal ever asked for.

    It's too early to say F them, so I'll find another route before sending them my privacy stuffs.
     
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