It may come in handy to someone out there!! First off, go on eGay, or CL... find a Mac laptop... or microsoft..whatever!! What I did was: 1. Found a Mac ibook g4 for $400 (1.33ghz/ 768mb ram/ 20gb hdd) 2. Weaseled the guy down to $300 3. got EVERY detail I possibly could about it.. 4. put it back on CL with a $470 price tag (after downloading about 300mb worth of free torrent's, cool shit..etc!!) made the listing so it sounded like it was THE ONLY ONE OF ITS KIND!!! Talk that MOTHA FUCKA UP!!! 5. waited 6. got some reply's 7. had some serious people.. 8. told EVERYONE that another person was gonna come over the next morning.. 9. got a guy to stop by RIGHT AWAY 10. got $450 out of it.. 11. went back on CL 12. Found an Acer Extensa (core2duo/3gb ram/250gb hdd/ vista ult.... ) hooked up!! for $450... weaseled him down to $380 So basically.... I got this BADASS LAPTOP for $230 OUT OF POCKET.... just because I was patient!!! I do it ALL the time... and it's easy money guys!!! Flip shit... make it sound REAL GOOD... Make that MONEY!!!