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Earned $2,672 in a week on CJ.com...it was an advertiser's mistake.

Discussion in 'CPA' started by rapture, Jul 29, 2009.

  1. rapture

    rapture Newbie

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    I earned about 3 grand in a week on CJ.com through Dada.net's trial program which paid $16.00 per signup. The payment never went through and the advertiser de-activated me and now I finally get an email explaining why.

    Is there any way that I can fight this and say I put time and money into promoting the offer because it was doing so well for me, and that it's not MY fault they had tracking problems? Or do I just have to suck it up and take the $358.

    Thanks guys.


     
  2. LadRak

    LadRak Registered Member

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    Suck it up and try to get to a better Affiliate Network would be my advice.

    Don't let yourself down, if the profit was still above 0$ you can get back on track the next week ;)
     
  3. rapture

    rapture Newbie

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    It was all free traffic, so yes $358 in profit still :D
    But I couldddd tell them that I spent $1,000 or so in advertising because I THOUGHT I was getting $2,600 or something like that.
     
  4. tywebb

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    If the money REALLY means something to you, then I think you definitely have a legit cause for your argument. If its not that big of a deal and you are trying to stay under the radar using BH methods it might just be safer to let it go.

    My .02
     
  5. Remington

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    Because of this, I would fight it. I can see them trying to mitigate their losses for their bad coding (after all, they won't want to eat it any more than you do), but that's no reason to deactivate you.

    Unless, like tywebb said, you were using some kind of BH methods; then you should keep your head down. They will certainly put a proctoscope up your sites when you try to get a few more $K out of them. So if they'd find anything bad, best to not get them looking too hard!
     
  6. scubaslick

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    I'd send a polite, receipt requested email to them saying something like, "I find this unacceptable but understandable. I hope that no future "errors" cause me to have to spend $1k on traffic for an offer that has been poorly planned and tracked. I considered legal options but realize that mistakes happen on everyone's part and will take the loss as a reinforcement of my belief that Commission Junction is a reasonable partner and does their best to earn their percentage of my profits for playing intermediary in avoiding such situations.

    Unfortunately, business sense dictates that this will be the last time that such miscalculations will be acceptable to our organization and we will be carefully monitoring all activity with the network in future and will pursue legal action for any further commission interruptions for any reason whatsoever."

    Then I'd cookies stuff the bejesus out of them.

    And if they bitch, send a copy of this email to their compliance person and openly copy my lawyer <cough>.

    ...or something.

    :)
     
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  7. rapture

    rapture Newbie

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    Thanks scubaslick. Used almost that exact wording in the email :p

    If only I knew how to cookies stufff haha.

    And well...the leads weren't fake...however I did spam twitter to get them lol. Had CPA redirector up though so I don't think they know that. Looks as if traffic came from my site.
     
  8. Corey

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    Unfortunately, there is probably something written in the terms and conditions that protects them from having you come after them for the rest of the money.
     
  9. scubaslick

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    You are the 1 in a thousand that have read those terms. Probably including the account reps.

    I'll just toss out a couple of sites here that might bring some light to the discussion:

    Code:
    bbb.org
    ripoffreport.com
    scambusters.org
    ehf-b-eyedotgove [yeah, I double secret encoded that one just in case]
    between those sites there is a tremendous amount of leverage against a company like CJ.

    If they start showing up in the SERPS for terms near the sites I just mentioned they can be seriously harmed.

    So in spite of TOS we aren't powerless and they know it.

    A#2 or #3 listing in a search engine that says "CJ is a scam" can cost them millions or tens of millions. If you aren't doing black-hole-hat (e.g. pure fraud) they will be cautious with you to some extent because they know that a motivated blackhat could have "<company name>scam" show up in the serps for several months.

    At least I hope you know this, stupid companies.

    So if you have any legal leg to stand on, and they have any common sense, they'll pay what you're owed, ban you from the offer or network, and move on.

    So the "rest of the money" is negotiable depending on how far you're willing to take it, how badly they're screwing you etc.

    See?

    None of this is carved in stone, but keep in mind that even huge companies have buttons you can push to make them do what you want.

    You just have to push the right ones in the right ways.

     
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  10. mystery

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    Thanks for the heads up scubaslick.

    I better crack my knuckles and prepare for devoting one week or so, pursuing my stolen 4k total from around 5 networks, 5 months ago.

    Been very busy and almost forgot about it. They keep giving me the lamest excuses and crap. Time to threaten to ruin their reputation. I think I can rank very well for a lot of "Scam" titles.
     
  11. PinkPanther

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    I would send a direct letter to Dada Entertainment via snail mail threatening legal action for not fulfilling their end of an agreement.
    Make it polite but firm.
    Don't get too emotional.
    You will might find they settle you up on the quiet.
    Let us know how ya go.
     
  12. biffo

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    I agree with PinkPanther, why on earth should have to swallow up this crap? What if you really had spent a fortune on promoting it and the fact that there tracker screwed up and you lost out?

    Cheers
     
  13. Kingfresh

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    How you earned that money?

    ppc traffic?
     
  14. rapture

    rapture Newbie

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    UPDATE: Reply received.

    I've whipped up this AdEngage invoice but idk if it's enough...or if I should even send it to them. What do you guys think?

    [​IMG]
     
  15. herron

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    haha they called your bluff or are willing to meet an agreement. Don't be suprised if they contact AdEngage to confirm the Invoice number. You are walking in different territory if you are willing to send a fake invoice in hope of receiving some cash. Be careful!
     
  16. haydenm92

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    Is that a real invoice, or did you fake one?
     
  17. MDSOperandi

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    Hi, I would not send that "invoice" if it is indeed fake. Fraud is slightly different then sending traffic from cloaked websites.

    This would be way to easy for CJ / Account manager to follow up and although I realize that as blackhatters we "push the envelope" somewhat, this would not be flying under the radar, it would be the equivalent of flying a stealth bomber straight into the radar.

    Tread very carefully :)

    All the best
    MDS
     
  18. LHaskins

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    Lol, you may have screwed yourself by showing that invoice here, for all you
    know..."Tanya" may be a member of BHW.

    If I was a account manager of a CPA company, I would for sure have a membership here to see how things worked.
     
  19. Griller

    Griller BANNED BANNED

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    Never saw a truer quote in my life, enormous mistake posting that here.