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Duplicate Content Penalty ~Fact or Myth~

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by taberdude2, Jan 15, 2010.

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Duplicate Content~ Fact or Myth?

  1. Am I wrong in my view on duplicate content penalty?

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  2. Is this reviewer on crack?

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  3. Not this subject again!

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  4. Should I take what I said out of the report?

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  1. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    Hi Guys,

    I'm posting this question for a specific reason. I already have my "own" opinion on the subject. However, I am trying to create a report and had it critiqued. Below is what I say in my report:

    "Many new and uninformed internet marketers live in fear of Google's dark shadow, the duplicate content penalty. I need to tell you, the penalty exists but it's not what a lot of people think.

    There is a chance of a penalty if you are putting duplicate content on your own website.

    For example two exact articles in different places on your website would make Google notice.

    There is no penalty if you are using another websites content on your own website. I can give you pages of examples, however I will stick with two."

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    From there I give 2 relevant examples of my beliefs. One of my reviewers emailed this little comment:

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    "Hmmm... I don't have "moral" opinion on the whole thing. I have automated websites/blogs.
    Just don't confuse your novice readers with controversial statements, i.e. if I do it, it's fine, if others dare to do it with my feeds, that's duplicate content penalty.
    BTW, the "duplicate content" as described here by you... is an urban myth :) - Stop spreading it, please!"

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    So as there is no confusion- this relates to autoblogs.
    So is this guy on crack? Am I wrong? What are your opinions?
     
  2. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    Geez-Your right, I never even thought of the privacy policy. I use a plugin and its the same each and every time. Lol- thanks for that.:)
     
  3. gurkoboy

    gurkoboy Junior Member

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    my question is, how exactly is google policing it? is it algorithmically possible to have a computer look at once article and then compare it to every, other, single article, on the ENTIRE internet?

    is that even possible? i know copyscape does it, but how?
     
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  4. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    That's a good question. How is it policed?:confused:
     
  5. dietbird

    dietbird Junior Member

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    I have another question for you guys. If all of your content is duplicated, then how will you rank with it?

    I mean, it's easy to rank with the right original KW rich article, but with duplicate content? Is it even possible to achieve first page results?

    P.S. I'm new to autoblogs so please bear with me.
     
  6. DebbieSprules

    DebbieSprules Senior Member

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    I dont think the privacy statement is a fair barometer. as the page is easily identified as a privacy statement and although it is published it is not published in the same way as other content.

    In order to validate your paper which probably is excellent idea, I might test some theories and use those as firm stable examples at the time of publishing your paper.

    IE I posted this article and did the following... heres where it showed up , here is what happened.

    Personally sites that write spun nonsense are more likely to be penalised, I also sense that once something has been crawled once, it is easy for the bot to recognise the same thing and choose to ignore it or place a black mark on it.

    There must be a rule about it, but not a penalisation, just an ordering. People will always talk about the same stuff, HAITI for example, but G knows which is shit and which isnt. thats what its there for.

    Understanding its methods as a mechanism surely is more empowering than working backwards as we are doing.. but yes sometimes options are limited. I am sure there is enough genuis out there ...its amazing that we can crack software and banks and plant bombs on things but we cant figure out what a robot is doing...:)
     
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  7. gurkoboy

    gurkoboy Junior Member

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    i understand what you are saying, but my question is even though the bot has seen it and crawled it before.. it has to go through -EVERYTHING- it has crawled to find a match.

    there is alot of content to sort through, it seems impossible to police duplicate content.
     
  8. seorebel

    seorebel Junior Member

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    How do you think a search is made?
     
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    polocolto Regular Member

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    In my experience, duplicate content is sandboxed. G chooses a site as the main content and add the duplicate content to the complementary results. Not the whole site, just the content.
     
  10. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    Well for what its worth, here are my arguments:

    This site: techcrunch Of course-not mine.

    This site:thetwilightcollections is mine and it is an autoblog.

    Both of the blogs/sites above are running duplicate content. I have not received any penalty and I'm damn sure techcrunch hasn't either.

    This is the example that I use in my report.:)
     
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    peter2002 Senior Member

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    There is no penalty for using content from other websites. Period.
     
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    on any given day, i can search for a topic and find 6 sites on the same page with the same content......

    dupe content penalty is a myth
     
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    Okay, but how easy will it be to rank with duplicated content?
     
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    The only duplicate content penalty I have seen is with shopping carts, especially if you use the same product codes and descriptions as everyone else on the internet.
     
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    tonlilaz Executive VIP Premium Member

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    usually they're on the first page of google :D....go enter a news item on google...and you'll find many sites w/the same associated press news blurb on that news item....

    i've seen the same from sites who scrape article sites for content....look for xxx keyword...and find 5 sites with the same xxx article on page 1 of google
     
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    Here it is - I had a website pulling 30,000 uniques per day. It was duplicate content celebrity news from other sites.

    There was no suspicious backlink activity.

    Suddenly one day, it got completely nuked out of the results.

    So I'm wondering what's gone wrong, and try this little trick.

    I search for my keywords, and add "&filter=0" to the search url in the address bar.

    What do you know?

    My site came up number 1.

    The &filter=0 command provides some evidence that there is some form of dupe content penalty.

    I do concede that ti is possible to rank for short - medium periods with duplicate content - after all, I was doing so for several months.

    However, beware - it's fully possible that you will get busted for using dupe content in the end, on long term projects.
     
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  17. husker999

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    There is a fair bit of misunderstanding about duplication content. Even the OP only get it partially right about duplicate penalty only exist within own site.

    Duplicate content penalty exist in the following 2 situation:
    1) Same content within same domain

    2) same content with another domain. <-- this a bit tricky. If you only copy 1 or 2 articles from another domain, penalty don't exist. But if you mirror the content of another domain, you will have the penalty. This is why a lot of autoblog fail, and they still fail w/o knowing WHY.


     
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    Correct

    It's not a simple issue.

    You cannot just say "duplicate content penalty does not exist so never write your own content again ever". This is wrong and will leave you on the scrapheap.
     
  19. squelsh

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    I think if there isn't a penalty per say, it's very difficult to get an article to rank for anything if it's already on another site. Sure you can get your site to come up for the title of the article or whatever, but your traffic will be minimal.
     
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    You can avoid this by constantly adding quality backlinks to your site. At least that's what I experienced.

    @husker999: You are right, to mirror a complete domain won't do you any good. But I don't think that's what OP meant.