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Dropped from school - Now it's serious! IM or 9-5?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by albaniax, Dec 8, 2010.

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What next?

  1. Internet Marketing till I die! ( ..or have money for offline investment )

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  2. Crappy 9-5 job - IM in part time

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  3. Internet Marketing till summer + school again

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  4. Internet Marketing + finding an apprenticeship

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  1. albaniax

    albaniax Elite Member

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    Let's talk a little bit about my past.

    First of all, I'm 19, live in Germany, and I fu*** up almost 3 years in school.

    Last summer I had to many missed hours in school, because of something bad doing, and making 10.000? in 2 months. So, I had to do the second year in my school again.

    S.th. about my school - It goes 3 years, and in the end you have a crappy IT assistant qualification, and a high-school diploma, so that you can go study for example ( Didn't want to do that ) or find actually a good apprenticeship.

    But now "again" in the middle of the second year, I have a really bad teacher, who wants me out of school. Basically, I was arriving often to late in school ( Only 5 - 10 min. ) The actual norm is, they drop you out of school, if you have missed more then 20 hours in 30 days. I didn't had that at all, only the "minutes". All in all at most 10 missed hours.

    I don't know how, but he got me on a conference, which is next week on Wednesday. Last year they said, if I ever have again a conference, they will drop me out. This bad motherfu** didn't even told me, that I can get a conference if I continue arriving to late (minutes). I was surprised, when I got the letter.

    So long story, made short: I'm pretty sure they will drop me, it's a chance of more or less of 10% they will NOT.

    But what then???

    I have 3 options:
    - Option one: Stick completely with IM, and work my ass up and down. I make about 400-600? now, but this is nothing compared to what I need. I'm sure I can earn more, of course. But then, everything depends on, let's say Google. You're doing BlackHat - One day they find out, and you have lost your income. That can be risky, IM can be pretty cool when you earn thousand with a method, but suddenly it get's saturated, and you lose almost everything.

    For example a 1 year old site was making me 400? ( not counted before on what I earn ) a month, and was ranking on my main-keywords ( no long-tail ones)

    Then I started backlinking with Scrapebox ( slowly ) and ordered 1 xRumer blast 2 weeks ago ( 1.200 backlinks)

    But now, the traffic dropped from 2.000 to 300 visitors a day. Site is still in the index, but no long-tail is ranking, and the main-keywords dropped from position 1-3 to 15-no where, and now it's climbing slowly, like one keyword is 7th, and the other appeared at 10-15th. Traffic is still shit.

    Whoever tells me that this site will for sure come back better? No one, only waiting..and waiting..and loosing money.

    But indeed, I'm sure I can build some pretty nice websites, with all the ins and outs. But what to do, till I start earning ? Also without going to school, my father looses 180? he gets now, and I other 200? from state.

    I'm sure it will be pretty hard in the start.

    Moreover, I think I can also do freelancing in Germany. Like, offering web design, simple coding (CSS/(X)Html), Seo using Scrapebox ( Next time without direct backlinking, instead using web 2.0 properties )

    With this I'm sure I can earn some more pennies a month, till my own site's are making me bank.

    In the meanwhile I could learn myself PHP, and then include that in my toolbox, in 2 years, if it takes so long to learn it perfectly.

    - Second option: Go find a crappy 9 - 5 job to have more money for my parents, and investment, do IM in part-time, until I get confident doing it 24/7 - and then maybe start school again just for the high school diploma. ( 2 more years )

    - Third option: Doing IM, till I find a good apprenticeship. But this one will be hard if they want to know, why I got dropped from school ( My grades from 10th class where actually good ) What I can do is, showing my skills in an internship, and then hope, that they take me.

    Conclusion: IDK, I think i have drunk to much beer for today :D Ask if something is unclear / not understandable - I will answer back tomorrow.
     
  2. WildJoe86

    WildJoe86 Registered Member

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    just start a blog about gadgets or something, spend some time on it and you will have a future proof website which can make you money the rest of your life.
     
  3. tharako

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    Your past is quite similar with mine one, I'm also 19 years old and left school, I'm trying to get my own alone with IM and some project I got, If it doesn't work, I'll have to look for a job or try to access to professional formation.

    Well, after you said you got to earn 10.000€ in 2 months I guess you could do pretty nice with IM, anyways it's a decision that only you must do.
     
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  4. sire243

    sire243 Regular Member

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    I'd go with crappy 9-5 and part time IM. Wait until you are making good money to pay all your bills and needs with IM, then get off of the 9-5 job.
     
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  5. unknownn

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    You dont look smart are you ?
    First its not your fault you just make bad thinks came always to late etc.You know if you dont wanna learn just leave and go ruin your life.You think once you start IM'ing its fine?What about taxes?I highly doubt you pay any else your father wouldnt get the 180 euro .Once they find out your whole life will be fucked.I'm pretty sure your knowledge about hiding your income to make it 100% secure is low and its just a matter of time you get fucked.To have secure payments in german you need at least to spend 1k Euro year which i highly doubt you will invest and your freelancing stuff i guess you never looked how many fuckin awesome programers in german are who work half free.

    And most important you are not going to school to get a better job as school wont help much cause in real life only connections counts but you go to school first for yourself to train your brain to get smarter to be trained to work effectivly and to be able to find truth in untruth

    But like i said before most german teenagers didnt get it anymore the level is dropping each year dramatically so be like all are be unique.....
     
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  6. albaniax

    albaniax Elite Member

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    Sry, but I have to disagree.

    First of all, I can earn 400€ without paying taxes + the 200€ I earned from school.

    ..and actually, a jealous motherf** in school told the administration which gave me these 200€ every month about on how much money I have earned, and they should investigate. A guy in the administration told me about that, but they couldn't find anything. That was like 5 months ago.

    So yes, I'm hiding everything like it should be. 400€ for me, rest of the money to someone different.

    Of course I know that you need for freelancing a proper license. I won't get dropped from school for being dump, but for being to lazy to arrive at exact time. That mostly for working to long in the night on IM, and sleeping not to much.

    ..and the 10.000€, that was something completely different, which I'm not going to talk about. It would be like freely going to jail, if you earn 10.000€, and don't report that.
     
  7. unknownn

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    first of all even if you earn 400 euro you have to pay taxes.Your free limit is 3k euros per year and getting 400 month is already 5200 euro + 180 each month and 200 euro bafoeg i guess
    Also if the tax department would suspect you got ilegal money they would go after bankaccounts and somehow you need to accept money as nobody is going to take 400 euro on their names without a nice cut as they need to pay taxes expecially if somebody is unemployed.
    I'm think you just get controlled by bafoeg who have no rights.

    You know i wrote that they are working for small money not about having a license
    as you need a company and not a license

    and about your teacher i guess its more your fault and its not only about getting late but even if you think it would be no consequences with it ?If you were smart you would wait the first hour and write an excuse as your are 19 and can do it yourself.
     
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  8. SaraJ

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    Depending on your finances get a full time or part time job. This should help pay your bills.

    Then work on IM as much as you can until you can quit or cut your hours.

    That is what I would do if I were you.
     
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  9. albaniax

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    1. Getting 400 a month is not 5200, but 4800.

    2. The 400€ a month are not the whole year coming to my bank account, but only a few months ago. Before that, everything was somewhere different going, so it's the same if you can earn 400 a month or not, I'm not going to hit 3k this year.

    Anyway, the dude in the administration told me that I can earn 400€ a month, I'm just not sure if he meant gross or net. A friend who is like me, but working in McDonalds, earns 400€ net.

    3. You seem to take everything wrong, with license I don't meant that. I just translated it wrong with Google - Of course I mean a company ( Gewerbe in German. )

    You're a russian, from Germany ?

    // Btw, when I was talking about freelancing, I meant something special, which made me to mention freelancing, where I already analyzed the market before. Like fiver, but in Germany, and there where a few making hundreds - if not - thousands a month. I'm not going deeper into that. But of course, it would take some serious work, which I can handle if I have the time to, and a company for taking payment, and the contract with clients.
     
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  10. Gorush

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    haha the 10000 are from poker 100% :D
    But i must agree with having connections in rl is most important.

    I also made abitur then dropped from college and now i am college again (doing good now :D).

    At the moment the situation in germany is somehow fucked up . everything is getting harder and harder . everyone is leaving college/school and without connections u lose.

    dont give up bro : ))

    Second option: Go find a crappy 9 - 5 job to have more money for my parents, and investment, do IM in part-time, until I get confident doing it 24/7 - and then maybe start school again just for the high school diploma. ( 2 more years )
     
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  11. joaquin112

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    Hey there.

    I was in a pretty much similar situation when I was your age three years ago. I did manage to move away from home and become quite successful at IM and make good money. The only difference is that I live in a country where renting a decent house costs $250/month and avoiding taxes is so easy it's even funny. Now with so little expenses and such a good, increasing income I am able to invest in new things and make more money.

    I think all in all it can be done. I did devote many hours working my ass off to make my ventures succeed, so it's definitely hard and will probably be much harder for you unless you want to have your mom cooking you dinner for the next couple of years.

    The truth is, you have to assess your situation and decide for yourself. If you think you can do it, go ahead and don't look back. Keep your eyes open for money-making opportunities, they are everywhere.
     
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  12. Monrox

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    Don't start a crappy minimum wage. McDonald's etc will fry your brain while giving you pennies. You'll be going home tired to death and with a particularly low esteem from all the 'it's always your fault' nagging from your boss.

    If remaining in school fails, fall back on social security for the time being if you must, and build your IM kingdom to a point where it starts to earn at least 2-3k from WH.
     
  13. 247hustle

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    all those germans :D seriously, take your life how YOUthink. its the best option, no one in here can tell u what u will be.

    all (integrated- LOL) germans in here should connect or something. maybe we can do something big together ;)

    sorry ich konnte das integriert nicht lassen :D

    cheers!
     
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  14. qxxxp

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    sehr geehrter Herr albaniax,

    as I was in your age... like 12 years ago, i was in similar situation.. I hated school (and still hate) but I loved the internet... I got the Hauptschule "Diploma" (lol)... I was passionate about computer software and I learned to write software for my own... later I sold my first software and I am selling it till today but I have always asked me if I can go for more, i mean to continue the school or something... I wanted to study Computer Science (Informatik) and got my Abitur first. Today I dont want to go to university any more, I am just exhausted of the last years in school.... I dont want to go for 3 more years and learn how to make my own compiler or how to solve crazy math equations.

    I worked for some web development and IM companies short, but realized that I don't want to work for someone... You wake up every day, go to some company to kiss someone ass.. then you come back and you are exhausted or bored to death (like me).
    Sure the job is nice to have and it is maybe more secure than to be self employed but if you can, try to make your own thing.

    My advice for you is to find out for your self, get some job and see how you feel about it... this will be your experience and not a life sentence (who knows, maybe you will like the 9-5 job).
    Invest the money in your new IM projects learn everything about internet marketing. And if you earn enough from your projects, leave your job. I know it is not easy to work on your projects while having a "real" job, but try it with little steps.

    Viel Glück!
     
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  15. cameltoe

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    Another fellow German here.

    The following may sound a bit harsh...

    ...but you should get yourself together and finish school. It's not that hard ffs. If all your great plans fail at some point, you've got to be able to fall back on plan B. And at that point you may be depending on your educations diploma. There will be less normal paid work available in the forthcoming years. It is upon you to decide whether to take the path of the producer or the consumer. And more of the people with low educational degrees will end up as consumers.


    Now I'm not saying you will most likely fail and end up with HartzIV living in an ugly 60's tower block.
    But: Avoid incalculably risks. Protect yourself from (small?) chances to fall deep.


    tl;dr: finish school, then get a job and do part time IM until you think you don't need the normal job anymore


    I would also like to enforce 247hustle's idea that Germans in here should connect a wee bit more.
    If not for conjoint projects, then at least for the previously mentioned importance of connections.
     
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  16. ulijonroth

    ulijonroth Regular Member

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    I would finish the school anyway. It would be a life line to have a job. Then you choose, whether go to job, or IM, or both.
     
  17. Salto

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    school is like a good basic :)
    if your even to "weak" to take some easy years of school youll have a nice time in the rest of your life :)

    and if your really earning 400 euro.. wow..
    what about moving out somewhen? pay the bills? daddy and mommy wont help you your whole life. Sure you can hope that one day you earn enough. if not, your a fat , 30yo living in mamas house =) sexyyyy

    or just freelance your ass off , beside all 100000 others that went trough school without cry all the time.
     
  18. Sampler

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    What Country is this?
     
  19. Salto

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    haha yeah another option, move to india :D i bet your greeeeeeeeat there! ;D
     
  20. qxxxp

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    I am thinking too about moving to other country, maybe to philippines, the life is cheaper there and there are nice beaches. :)