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Dr Strange-PBN and how I learned to stop worrying and love Google

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by myopic1, Sep 26, 2014.

  1. myopic1

    myopic1 Regular Member

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    So it appears that Google is building the PBN doomsday device that will wipe out PBNs..one of the last bastions of Black hat SEO is falling - or so they want you to believe.

    You see, it comes down to this - will Google ever penalise regular websites (intentionally) that are going about their business providing good information and are seemingly untouched by the grubby paws of blackhatters like you and I? I hope you answered no.

    The answer is then, don't build a private blog NETWORK. Instead build a series of satellite sites that operate on their own individually and bear no resemblance to the PBNs that we're all used to seeing, build REAL websites, with valuable information. Do all the wonderful things like different hosting, who is data etc that real sites do. Don't create a network that is interlinked, 1 PBN site to 1 money site, because how many real websites really have the same link profiles? Build sites that will survive a manual review. Build sites that will make Matt Cutt's mother want to take you out to a nice steak dinner and pick up the bill afterwards.

    For that extra level of paranoia, use Firefox, avoid Gmail, take holidays to foreign countries to post real comments on your blog - perhaps avoid using Google internet balloons to connect to the internet though. Just keep it real.

    Will most people do this? No. People can't afford 1 to 1 sites, they'll cut corners on content, they'll reuse themes, they'll sell blog posts. No more waking up in the morning and worrying if your business and sites have been flushed and are now floating somewhere far out at sea.

    You should love Google, they'll eventually eliminate 99% of your competition, other companies will go out of business leaving you to mop up the delicious remains.
     
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    pxoxrxn Supreme Member

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    Don't tell me what to do.
     
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  3. nanavlad

    nanavlad Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    If it was only so simple

    Google kills good sites as well as blackhat

    Personally id sooner see my blackhat sites go down than spend years building great sites and watch as google destroys my dreams.

    Its much easier to get back on track, if your blackhat sites go down, Because it doesnt come as a surprise, and if it does, your in the wrong business
     
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  4. myopic1

    myopic1 Regular Member

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    Yeah I do agree with you to a certain extent, innocent sites occasionally get caught in a broad net but it's never the intention. I wasn't suggesting build amazing websites, just footprint-less, good content, not interlinked in any way that look like someone started blogging or providing information just like a regular website.
     
  5. SEO Power

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    Big brands are already doing what you suggested. They have networks of real sites all serving different purposes and receiving lots of traffic from search engines. If they created another new site today, all they would have to do to get that site ranking and amassing lots of free search engine traffic is linking to that site from each of their existing network sites.

    The downside to this is the cost involved. I'm sure if we all had unlimited budgets, we'd be able to do it this way. Many are already complaining about the cost of building a traditional PBN with all the footprints they leave behind. How much more would they complain and how many would be willing to follow your advice if you advised them to spend more money and time building real sites?

    Not many, I guess. Those who keep building crappy networks will keep seeing all their hard work go down the drain, while those who build networks of real sites...

    It's going to be a while before Google comes down on PBNs again (the last one before this one was 2 years ago).
     
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    People think it cost a lot more to build good quality blogs for your PBN, but really it isn't that much more, you can even monetize these sites inside your PBN, the only thing is it is more work to set it up, but your sites in the network will gain real trust, not he bought trust from expired domains.

    Next month i am going to test if it would work to build a PBN from fresh domains, i will build 30 quality sites do some real moderate promotion, add social media accounts to all the sites, grow them for3 months and then link have them link to a new money site and see if they rank, my SEO brain says that it cannot work, my gut says that i have to try and test it, i have some footprint issues to figure out like domain registration.

    But i am going to test it, if it doesn't work i at least have 30 new sites to my arsenal :D
     
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    mangobajito Power Member

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    Maybe lame question
    If a PBN site penalized, then all the links in that site also get affected or not?
     
  8. blacat

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    Yes, they are affected BUT each one will be impacted differently. It depends on the site's level of absorbing the negative signal.

    An authority site (real authority) will not feel the impact as it has many good links and other positive signals. So the one or few bad links will only have a tiny impact on it.
     
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  9. Spuffed

    Spuffed Power Member

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    So if a PBN is hit, is there no way to recover? Like does all the previous backlinking and SEO go down the drain, if so can you then repopulate it or does Google basically just put a huge blacklist on that so you can't get ranked anymore?
     
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    If you own the PBN, then first remove the links pointing to your money site.

    If you money site got a manual penalty (you have a message in your WMT account), then you'll have to do a major cleanup in your backlinks and then have a reconsideration request... this process takes at least months.
     
  11. toothpickers

    toothpickers Newbie

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    I appreciate your concern and suggestions, but don't take google seriously. If they do decide to index or penalize, they would without any reason. They are just trying to scare marketers into believing seo is the toughest and the most expensive thing to indulge in.