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Double Meta Refresh - If affiliate managers go with no referrer to check your site?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by davemcm, Jan 2, 2009.

  1. davemcm

    davemcm Newbie

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    Hi,

    Just wondering about the double meta refresh, i have it setup on one of my sites and is working perfectly.

    i.e. If you click the link from my menu or homepage, a normal whitehat page is shown. And, if you end up on that page without a refferer (i.e after my first meta refresh has cleared it) it will forward them to affilate offer leaving my whitehat page as the refferer.

    BUT HERES MY CONCERN.

    The affiliate managers have a list of your referring sites, and decide to visit one to check up. Now, instead of clicking a link in their control panel or whatever, what if they have to copy n paste the URL, thus not leaving a refferer, now your script automatically forwards them, thinking they have had their reffering blanked by your first page, which basically means, YOUR RUMBLED!

    Any thoughts or ideas?
     
  2. indexyoursite

    indexyoursite Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Normally an Affiliate Manager is a guy who spends from 9 to 5 watching a screen, IM affiliates, managing campaings, and receiving orders from an ugly boss. The don't have time to try and search every little lnk of your site.

    If your site flyes under the radar, you'll be ok.
     
  3. davemcm

    davemcm Newbie

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    yeah, i see what your saying, but its not like they have to search anything. All they have to do is try and visit your 'apparent' promotion page without a refferer and they'll be forwarded, right?
     
  4. antsaoo

    antsaoo Supreme Member

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    well you could always do following :

    change the code that they are redirected when the referer is your "first refresh"(change that no normal redirect) and on the whitehat page put "php include, lets say secret.php" code so they cant see that from source code. now put secret.php on password protected folder and they cant acces it. now they should not be able to see anything unless they come from your blackhat traffic source

    allso you can add more ferers there :) as thinking of this i have no idea do traffic see your wh page while redirecting :)


    hope it helps ( or even works)
     
  5. davemcm

    davemcm Newbie

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    lol thanks, but won't help, as then when they go, they're like eWTF? we can't see nothing, same as before, except with before they get redirected.


    Could maybe add something so it goes like this,

    Blackhat traffic sources > 1stpage.php

    1stpage.php redirects leaving reffering intact somehow to 2ndpage.php

    2ndpage.php instead of checking for blank referrer, checks if refferer = 1stpage.php, if it does, then redirect to affilate link, if not, then show whitehat page.

    So even if anyone does visit ur page without a referrer, that is not from your blackhat traffic sources linking to 1stpage.php, they will see the whitehat page?
     
  6. indexyoursite

    indexyoursite Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Suppose this situation. You have a whitehat with 10.000 pages, and you are geotargeting your traffic. All the pages have a link to a redirecting page where you perform the redirecting and the geo ip checking.

    This is the page your AM is seeing as the referrer. He follows this url and get redirect to his offer. He will ask you what's happening and you will answer that you use a redirecting page so you can change offers for all your site pages in a snap, instead of changing every page.

    Now your white hat is sending traffic to this page, and all you black activities also. Of course you need a white hat to cover the blacks.
     
  7. zone69

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    You could use a javascript redirect as Gen has posted around here somewhere and to be extra safe add a POST value on site 1. Then in site 2 check for referrer making sure that it is site1 and also verify if the POST value is present. if both conditions are met then redirect, and if not then just don't do anything and present your whitehat site.

    Now if someone visits the whitehat site directly they will not be redirected.

    Here's the code you could use:

    On site 1 (BH site) - script1.php
    Code:
    <?php
    $site2 = "http://yourwhitehatsite";
    // POST value you will send
    $mysecret = "mysecret";
    
    echo "<body onload=\"javascript:frmClickTracking.submit();\">";
    echo "<form action=\"" . $site2 . "\" method=\"post\" name=\"frmClickTracking\">";
    echo "<input type=\"hidden\" name=\"secret\" value=\"$mysecret\"></input>";
    echo "</form>";
    ?>
    
    Now on the whitehat site you would have this(make sure to have real links to the offer on this site):
    Code:
    <?php
    
    $site1 = "http://mybhsite/script1.php";
    $affiliate_link = "http://www.youroffer.com";
    $mysecret = "mysecret";
    
    
    if($_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER'] == $site1 and $_POST['secret'] == $mysecret )
    {
            echo "<body onload=\"javascript:frmClickTracking.submit();\">";
            echo "<form action=\"" . $affiliate_link . "\" method=\"post\" name=\"frmClickTracking\">";
            echo "</form>";
    }
    
    ?>
    
    Hope that helps you out!
     
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  8. davemcm

    davemcm Newbie

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    thanks mate, i think thats exactly what i need!
     
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  10. davemcm

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    ^^ the above that was posted by zone69 works perfectly, with 0 or very little chance of your traffic getting through with the REAL refferer, that and I don't use WP lol.

    Just tested with 2 domains, redirecting from 1 to the other, and it's working as it should.

    Will be implementing this now, and hopefully won't get kicked out of the program for the few conversions i had before getting this up
     
  11. dwpg002

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    Can we use Double Meta Refresh for cookies stuffing
     
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    a0rta Regular Member

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    Suppose on another hand that they do suspect something. Then they have the hours between 9 to 5 to find out just what your doing and how to punnish you in the best possible way = ban (even though I suspect that they rather ban first and then go for another poor victim)
     
  13. necromancer1976

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    Be careful useing meta refresh, it can give the ideea you're doing something wrong