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Don't waste your money with private/dedicated proxies, use VPN instead

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by raxom, Nov 5, 2013.

  1. raxom

    raxom BANNED BANNED

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    Months ago I started in the SEO world. I bought 100 private proxies from squidproxies and paid $160. I wanted to pay a high price to have exclusive IPs. At first, if you aren't specific, they'll give you Google-banned proxies. But no worries, they'll replace them the same day. Support and server speed are OK. You'll need to 'negotiate' with them server locations (i.e. "give me more US and less Estonian and Romanian proxies").
    After weeks of usage, I started to see Google captchas and finally a total ban. I investigated and found out that some of my "private" proxies had been used by others (for the time they were mine). The bad thing is when they are aggressive spammers.
    stopforumspam ipcheck 5.144.176.60
    I could even see some IPs declared as "toxic IP".
    Let's face it, users don't have any direct means of knowing whether their IPs are being shared. And that's a lucrative business for proxy companies. I send them a complaint, but they obviously denied the evidence, and offered me a refund, which I accepted.

    After briefly trying the world of free public proxies (and being unable to get one working), I discovered VPN services. I purchased a subscription of HideMyAss for $11.52/m. You install a program (it also proxifies traffic) and with a single click you have access to 59,000 IPs in 63 countries. The funny thing is that so far I've used hundreds, but haven't seen already a single captcha.

     
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  2. mrpasta

    mrpasta Newbie

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    It depends what you're trying to do. If you want to scrape results from Google, then you need a list of proxies to use (so your software can quickly rotate IPs). If you're okay to switch IPs once an hour, then a VPN service is okay.

    A VPN is good for hiding your identity if you don't need to switch quickly. If you're doing anything in bulk to one specific site/service (i.e. Google), then you need proxies.

    Different tools for different jobs.
     
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  3. Nightly

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    You say don't waste your money with private proxies, yet you say that because you had a bad experience with a single provider. I have been using private proxies for years now, with no Issues.

    Just because one service Is bad, doesn't mean the rest are as well.
     
  4. akacash

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    The problem with what you're basically accusing them of is you don't know when the "spam" was sent. Just because the complaint showed up during the time that you were subscribed to that IP doesn't mean that is when that IP was used. You said you used them for weeks, so I'll assume you had them for a month, although even 2 months wouldn't be totally out of the question. The point I'm getting at is if I had those proxies before you, and I went nutty with them and spammed the hell out of them, not all those complaints would show up the same day. They would likely be rolling in for weeks, and sometimes even months. It all depends on the volume of "spam" they were sending. If it's commenting that they were doing with Scrapebox then I've actually read stories right here of people getting complaints weeks after the activity was stopped. You would need the date of the infraction that produced that complaint with stopforumspam or w/e. Not the date that they listed it. That would likely be even longer after the person used them because they may investigate the claim by whoever made the complaint to begin with which would make it take even longer before the proxy was listed. I don't use Squid, and actually was fairly disappointed in their performance when I did try them, but you need a lot more information than what you've given to substantiate a claim like that honestly.
     
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  5. raxom

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    Your theory is eloquent. But my thinking is: "if two explanations are equally likely, the simpler one is usually better".
    A) stopforumspam has a manual reporting system that lags for weeks.
    B) proxy provider is reselling private proxies and multiplying earnings.
    I don't know SFS technology, but I tracked some of the IP proxies I purchased TWO (2) months ago, and I could see daily updates. Their logs are solid and show lots of data and evidence. Two months delay? Really? That would make them useless. Maybe a few cases, but not with the regularity and volume I saw.