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Domain Names - The truth.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Wombat, Dec 28, 2007.

  1. Wombat

    Wombat Registered Member

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    (Rolls up sleeves for forthcoming flame fight) :D

    The following is my experience on the touchy subject of domain names.
    VAST amounts of guesswork and crap have been written on the subject.

    Are .com domains better than .net or .info etc?
    No, it doesn't make a scrap of difference.

    Domain names like "discountflights.com" are better than "freds.info" or "discountflights.freds.info"
    Not really. Perhaps it might help a bit but a page on freds.info can still rank high on Google and if it does the mugs will still click on it.
    The page description is MUCH more important. That is what the mugs read.

    "Aged domains are better than new domains"
    Now, that IS true. The "sandbox" does exist and there is another VERY important related factor:

    TRUST. If you have a brand new domain name and suddenly throw 1000 backlinks at you will KILL IT as far as Google is concerned. You WILL be de-indexed, banned, given the boot.

    But an aged domain with rank and backlinks can "take it"

    Which leads me to my next couple of points:

    "Free hosting accounts are bad"
    Bullshit!!! Free hosting accounts are GOOD.
    If you can make a subdomain called "discountflights.freehost com" then that is VERY GOOD because freehost.com is already an aged domain with thousands of pages indexed. You can throw a ton of backlinks at it.

    "Subdomains are not as good as "real" domains.
    Bullshit! What about a blog called "discountflights.blogspot.com"?

    Blogspot.com has MILLIONS of subdomains.
    Do you think if you make a spam blog then ALL of blogspot.com will be banned? Yeah, right.
    No, just yours.

    Still don't believe me? What about all the Web 2 sites. You can make a page there and start off at an advantage and you can throw MANY backlinks at it without killing it. You KNOW that is true.

    So don't come to me with your ideas that if you want to make 10 or 100 sites you must carefully search for "just the right domain name for each one"

    "Scraper site spammers" did (and still do) register hundreds or thousands of domain names at a time. They hoped to make their money back in the few days or weeks before Google would ban the whole domain.

    BUT, if you make relatively "white" domains and subdomains you won't be banned even if you use "black" methods to promote them.

    Unless (as mentioned above) you are throwing too many backlinks at a new domain name.

    This is the most important post you have ever read so give me lots of "reputation" or I will hunt you down and be rude to you. :D
     
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  2. justmeron

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    Ok + Rep given. One question you say free host are good. Don't you loose traffic and clicks to the host ads or pop ups? Thaat is the only thing I do not like about free host. But they can give you link juice to boost up your pr and ranking on your other sites. Hey I am all for saveing on operation cost. I use blogspot and google pages and in my sig. is a free forum I use for back links.
    thanks for the info.
     
  3. kase

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    Thanks Wombat for this information!
    Domain marketing is the only thing Right now i want to learn... As far as backlinks? how can i build them up if i'm parking all domains at Sedo?

    Would you possibly have any domain marketing ebooks?
     
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    so what is a good pace to accumulate backlinks to a new domain name...say 20 a week, 100 a month? what is natural or safe by G?:)
     
  5. Wombat

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    There are quite a few free hosts who don't put any ads on your site.
    No banners, no popups or popunders, nothing.

    Not only that but they offer mysql, cron jobs and Fantastico.

    You wouldn't use them for a major long term site but for a "quick and dirty" affiliate site, they are perfect.
     
  6. miniq

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    Ya, I use some other free hosts to build backlinks too, just that these free hosts could bring down my sites like WP*com , or they could also simply go burst. I remember my accounts/sites were deleted or took over or re-directed to their main site, after gaining PR4. It was just wasting my time with them.

    But it's true, free host with aging domain could really help in boosting up backlinks from different IP. It deos help in link juice.

    @kase
    I parked my domains, and I do still build backlinks to them...hundreds or thousands of backlinks to them indeed. I use blogs to build links for them. Who knows they could be valuable in future, or just when you might have a good idea in developing them.

    The domains I parked are 6month ~1year+ in age. I just let them continue to age, then develop them into full websites ( err...spam :p ) .

    But I've just come across this domain service called 'Domain Embarking' . They so called 'embark' or build a few nice looking page for your domain, pulling info from wiki and youtube...etc , then add in some ads like Adsense.

    I just try them ~2days ago. The site they build are quite nice looking, but almost looks similiar in layout, just the content might be a little different.

    If you want, just take a look at their site => domain*embar*king*com ( remove all the * )
     
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    If you buy a domain thats expired.. that was registered a long time ago does it still have its value of being aged or is it considered new?
     
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    How about a domain name with a hypen? Like h**p://w*w.one-two-three.c*m. Is this type of naming convention good?
     
  9. justmeron

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    Oh yes I would use them. I haven't found any like that but I haven't been looking either. How do they survive offering free hosting with no ads?
     
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    I gotta question. Blogger blogs have the nofollow attribute built-in, so creating blogger blogs to build backlinks isn't very effective. But I remember reading once that there is a way to disable the nofollow attribute in blogger. I couldn't remember where I read it so if anybody here is up on that, please share so that I can build up more effective backlinks through blogger.
     
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    Hosting is so cheap right now, I don't understand why you wouldn't use it. The ability to install scripts, make changes, have total control, is worth whatever they are charging. Back in the day, bandwidth was really expensive, we paid thousands of dollars a month for some sites and exceeded the BW constantly. I have a hosting reseller account now so I can set up domains instantly, but for a few dollars I'm fairly sure you can have something similar. Unless there is something concrete that backs up free hosting having major advantages for PR or links I couldn't ever see myself using it.
     
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    I was doing a search for software to scan a list and remove the nofollow blogs and I stumbled on quite a few sites (forums and blogs) with active discussions on how to disable nofollow and the reasons why you should, I was pleased to see there are quite a few people out there who do actually still see the advantages to sharing the love.
     
  13. MaestroDelWeb

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    My big stuff I always put on my own domains. I might use authority sites (blogger, squidoo, old free hosts, etc...) to create pages that hype up my own domains and to help getting my sites indexed. The reason I don't do too much on free hosts or better said subdomains is because if one day I decide to sell my domain and I have time invested into it, it's very hard to sell a old blogger page. It's much easier to sell xyz.com that is linked to from blogger. Also with some of the smaller free hosts they collapse at a moments notice. Free hosts are definitely good. You can get tons of backlinks to your sites from different IP addresses for free so that's a plus. I always keep backups of everything I do, especially free hosts.
     
  14. battman323

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    I didn't mean to host anything serious on blogger. I just want to build a lot of blogs that I can use as basically link farms but have them count. They won't look like link farms, they'll look like real blogs, just with scraped content and rss feeds to make them look updated and such. With a lot of those, I can post links on them that the search engines will see and give me credit for. That's why I asked about disabling the nofollow attribute.
     
  15. MaestroDelWeb

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    Definitely there is value in the links and you can even make sales if that's what you wanted to do from these sites, but I mean for the future when I'm done with a lot of domains before letting them expire I prefer to sell them.
     
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    How do you sell them? I had one not sure if it is expired yet. possible and posted it up on some sites and auctions. Never got an offer. One of my parent affiliate companies offerd me $25. Should have taken it I guess. I felt it was worth more. It was a PR 4 casino site.
     
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    When you set upa blogger blog sign into your dashboard and under the tab settings and then basic you can select to have the blog spiderd or not. By selecting yes this will enable your blogs to be indexed and the links spiderd. Or at least this is the way I have done it. If I am wrong, someone let me know. To the best of my knowledge non of my blogs have the nofollow tag. I have also right clicked and viewed the source code and ther is no nofollo tag there.
     
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  18. battman323

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    thanks for the reply justmeron, i'll go try that right away. +rep
     
  19. MaestroDelWeb

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    A combination of the major selling sites (sedo, afternic, etc...), and domain/webmaster forums...sometimes ebay. If your domain is about to expire and you aren't going to renew just go to the major domain forums and start the auction at $1 and see where it goes from there.
     
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    Thanks,
    I think it is prob. expired and at this point have chalked it up as a loss. Back when the us made online gambling illegal I stopped promoting it and at that time no one would make me an offer on it. It's been a while now. But I have also herd of people saying they build up domains and sell em on ebay or one of the auction sites.