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Domain Age Factor

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by newkid..., Jan 29, 2010.

  1. newkid...

    newkid... Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    As per my understanding, domain age factor is one of the Top 10 (if not top 5) factor in serp. This is very much evident and discussed in all SEO webinar now a days.

    To gain authority in this, I started buying expired domain which was 5-9 year old. But I forgot the fact that these all are expired now and dropped from the whois list. So registering now will be new inclusion and is not going to benefit me.

    I search in whois directory and found my assumption correct. I took one extra step by going and checking various domain age checker tools available in SEo forums and websites. IN most of them, the result is new registration date while in some it still shows domains if 7 yrs old , 9 yrs old etc.

    Of course in the waybackmachine or in archive, the history will be since the first registration date.

    ANYONE HERE WHO KNOWS HOW GOOGLE SEE DOMAIN AGE FACTOR?? BASED ON waybackmachine or whois result. To put it simple, if the registration is dropped and registered again, does google take age of that domain into consideration.

    Help???
     
  2. makinaria

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    This is a good Question? What about Domain with Age N/A can google know if it's old enough.
     
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    Bump for this!
     
  4. tee1

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    I have been thinking about this as well and I guess instead of catching drops you could always go to godaddy/dynadot/sedo/afternic and pick up names via their auction. however that has to be a better way.....

    I have been trying to read up on domain age & link velocity and see how old a domain has to be before I can link spam it :)
     
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    Google wouldn't use the wayback machine. It probably has special{via subscription} access to the whois database where it gets it's own copy everyday or something close.

    If domain age is a major player in the SERP placements, google's queries would cripple the wayback machine.
     
  6. knaox

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    Google utilizes the whois, it's how they view registration, domain age, and other useful information.
     
  7. newkid...

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    If it is true that my all effort has gone. Without giving any thought I bought 16 domains (already dropped), so whois will show fresh reg date. Anyway I will build website and will see how it ranks and then update

     
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    I've always heard (from very reliable sources) that Google uses the WHOIS. Once a domain is dropped and re-registered - the age factor is essentially reset.

    I still snap up dropped domains on occasion, but only to redirect the traffic assuming they still have any and the site is within my niche.
     
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    While using Market Samurai's SEO Competition module, it shows domain age as the "first registration date" of the domain. I've been using this tool for months now and only now I realized it. And it was because I was surprised to see my domain age to be 6 while its registration date in whois shows "2008".

    I have been buying aged domains in the hopes that this is a big factor, but if it is the case that any expired domain will do as long as it was registered some time in the past, I will be very disappointed to have spent all that money.
     
  10. HowardOnline

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    As an expert myself, the domain age mans nothing .What matters is how long its been in the google index. but even domains that have been in the index for a long time can still be sandboxed.
     
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    I also dont really have an answer, but from my experiece, if I register domains that has been in the index and their registration lapsed, they seem to be re-index much faster again. One should just check out the domains before hand, because there could have been a reason the registration was lapsed, for instance the domain was de-indexed or something.

    My two cents worth :p
     
  12. Meraman

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    As per my understanding as well:

    When the domain never dropped, G considers the whois date, certainly. So, this is the best.

    When the domain dropped, even once, G considers the last time it was registered, even if it dropped yesterday and was first registered in 1995 say.

    However, there is a catch: When you find a formerly aged domain that was so dropped at some point, if still there are backlinks to that domain, sometimes G recognizes the age of those links/domains as at least part of the age of your domain.

    I know that as a fact as I already tested that, and it worked most of the time, although not at all times.
     
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    Absolutely BS, a HUUUUUUGE BS.

    :eek:
     
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    Domain age is a vital metric and accounts for approximately 5% of where you might fall in the SERPS. I'm sorry but I can't help laughing to myself when people get so hung up on one of over 200 metrics Google uses to determine SERP.

    Personally I think domain age importance diminishes significantly after the first year meaning that if you have two sites equal in all other aspects (which could never happen) and one site was 2 yrs old and another 5 yrs old then domain age would have little to no effect on SERP position. I base this theory considering the reason domain age was introduced as a metric. It was to prevent new sites from quickly rising in rank because of good optimization of metrics not affected by age. Age was introduced to slow down spam sites that were very good at optimization and fast link building from gaining quick position. While you can manipulate almost all the other metrics you can't lengthen domain age. This is why I say its significance quickly diminishes after the first year. Older domains could never be argued better domains based on age alone. Many old domains were terrible for years before being optimized recently.

    In doing any sort of intense keyword analysis you'll find many newer domains kicking the shit out of old domains and oftentimes the older domain has more backlinks, better PR and more traffic. When you focus on analyzing kw phrases you're narrowing the focus of the Google query processor and taking away a lot of the power from larger older websites. They rank moderately well on thousands of terms but don't rank extremely well on any terms or very few ;-)

    Keep plugging away but don't target in on one metric thinking it's significant - especially not domain age.
     
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    Well, we clear have very different points of view here, so that is enough to say.

    Just have to add that domain age alone is not a do-it-all solution for serps (yes, I agree with you) but when getting the right aged domain for a specific niche you can be in front of relatively tough competition with almost no effort, a one page related content would do it.

    I'm saying that because I already Did that a number of times.

    So, I think it is a case by case to achieve success or not.
     
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    This is questionable... I do agree that it matter from how long it has been indexed but Age is also a big factor.

    I dont call myself an SEO expert but yes I do have 25+ client for whom I manage the SEO part and keep doing many test.

    Recently I have started doing testing on age factor and that is the reason I came up with this question...

    And let me tell you, the first result is out... the aged domain is a big factor...

     
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    Could you share these over 200 metrics by importance?
     
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    Most people dont undestand the working of domainage. Buying an Domain registered 15 years ago wont get you anywhere. Its about the Project that is aged and the domain. Also i think domain age isnt as important as everybody thinks.
     
  20. Ribkin

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    Could you share what you managed to find out? How old should domain be to perform well given it is well optimized? 1+ years? Should domain be already indexed in Google or it does not matter? Should it have some content or parked will do the same?

    I am thinking about buying a 1+ years old parked domain, optimize it and build links to it, but I am not sure if it will be any different from buying a brand new domain.

    Any kind of info you provide will be highly appreciated.