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Doing SEO Is Kind Of BS: Life & Budgeting

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by AceCanoe, Dec 29, 2016.

  1. AceCanoe

    AceCanoe Junior Member

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    Honestly, I didn't know what to name the title of this thread because I wanted to talk about a lot things related to doing SEO, life in general and budgeting for things.

    SEO BS

    I have been working (focusing) on 1 website of mine for a while. Maybe close to a year now. I probably have invested close to $700 for it specifically from the BHW market place for expensive links. The keyword I am targeting is pretty competitive (french keyword) I'd say it's just competitive for pages 1 and 2. Moreover, I basically bought expensive link packages here during the summer (months ago) and the highest it reached was the 3rd page.

    I don't honestly know about other SEO's but I didn't build links manually back then when I purchased these links from BHW. I stopped building links to this site since summer. However, 1-2 months ago (up to recently) I have been working with expired web 2.0's and building a few each day and I would see a little improvement (my keyword went from like nowhere to page 5 when I started doing this and now it's back to page 8 when I stopped building links for a few days.

    I'm guessing I have to be very consistent to manually building links every day so my keyword doesn't jump from page 4-5 to page 8 and stay on page 8 all the time? How do other SEO's get this complicated work done and create over 50 backlinks per day? Is there something that I am missing?

    I have also been consistent to buying social signals for this site. I would buy a package here and there (before creating more links) but this kind of work I have been doing is ultimately time consuming. I'm wondering how other people here are doing this, a lot of people have a lot of sites, but how do they keep up with them and creating over dozens or if not more inks to all of them every day? Do they just spend all day doing this or somehow outsource it with a software? I'd appreciate it if anybody had anything to say or any advice at all.


    Life & Budgeting

    You don't have to read this part. This week I decided to spend $1,400 on a musical instrument. It's kind of a long story why but it's to make videos on YouTube in the near future and to hopefully make stable income there before summer. I also spent close to $700 yesterday on something for my looks which is kind of complicated to say here but the whole treatment will cost me about $1,200.

    I don't know how to say this correctly but with all of the money I have spent this week, I could have built my own private blog network (which could have helped me rank my one site first page). I could have bought a dozen of expensive link packages here. I could have reinvested that money into something else. Although I have more money, I'm just saying, a lot of people do this (what I did) maybe for a beneficial reason or for no reason at all.

    I basically spent my money on these things to help benefit myself and to hopefully make stable income from YouTube and other stuff like music videos. But what I was trying to say is when we do, why do some people invest in things and ignore budgeting their hard earned money? It just makes me think why some people just go out and blow their money, for example, buying a new TV, going out and getting McDonalds - spending money at the movies/malls on the weekends? I know a lot of people who work 9-5 jobs (the whole day/the whole week) and party on the weekends/blow their whole pay check. It's kind of sad, but I don't blame any of those people since they don't know how to make money from IM. But knowing that you're spending money on things you don't really need and knowing that won't help or benefit you and won't make you your money back, it's kind of like you're buying that TV or buying clothes/stupid stuff at the mall for no reason.

    Yeah, that's my little rant about life & budgeting. Point is, if you do any of those things, knowing that in the long-run, it's not benefiting you or anybody and not making you any return of investment, it's not worth it, unless you have that type of money to blow.

    I also wanted to ask if anybody is just trying to make enough from IM to actually live your real dream? Becoming a billionaire from IM is not really my dream. My real dream is to become my own musical artist soon but it's hard when you don't have a lot of money to back you up but that's what life is about I guess. "Are you willing to bleed out of your fucking eyes for you dream?"
    -Gary Vaynerchuk

    This is kind of a shitty thread but basically I just wanted to know about the SEO "outsourcing" if it is, for building links & how much links you should build on a daily basis.
    Cheers to 2017.
     
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  2. ThopHayt

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    A couple things. First, to rank a really competitive keyword might take several thousand dollars and many many months depending on your website and the niche. Second, there are a LOT of services on the marketplace that are PURE wastes of money, you could spend $10,000 and get nowhere. The days of shooting to the top of a huge keyword on $500 in a couple weeks using spam is long gone. You need patience, a plan, and commitment to quality links.

    -ThopHayt
     
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  3. thanhclix

    thanhclix Power Member

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    Couldn't say it any better.
     
  4. Silverandblack

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    I applaud OP on being able to understand the concept of saving money and not spending on superficial things. I had a bad problem budgeting when I was younger. It took a long time to realize that I should be using my hard earned money to make more money instead of buying things that just depreciate in value. If you stop trying to impress other people and just invest in things that make you money, you'll be a lot better off in life!
     
  5. Frozen Phoenix

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    It also depends how competitive your industry is. You say it's pretty competitive. So be aware that the other websites (with a bigger budget) also will build links. Building links is not that easy as it used to be. I'm working as a linkbuilder in the casino industry, so that's basically what I do on a daily basis. I would indeed focus on the quality instead of the quantity. Take your time and analyze the links before buying a sh*tload of links that don't work.

    About the lifestyle and budgetting I don't really agree actually. Who are you to say how people should spend their money?? Everybody is different. Besides, after working 5 days a week, from 9 to 5, I think not everybody wants to hussle in the weekend and make more money... Going to the movies with your girlfriend, travelling, or even watching TV isn't a waste of time in my opinion. Do the things you love, and live in the present moment. Whatever makes you happy now, doesn't need change.
     
  6. AceCanoe

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    It's not that competitive, I believe that it's just the first page that's competitive. I also registered this website around this time last year and it's been transitioning from 4th page to the 8th page on a constant basis. I agree that some of the services here in the marketplace are not that great but I know one of my competitors are using some of those services which do help or push initiative ranks. I have never used spam as well, I am not sure where you got that from. Thank you though.

    Thanks! Yeah when you are making income strictly from IM and nowhere else, you have to really discipline and budget yourself because you never know what works today will work tomorrow. I'm also not saying, never spend your money again at the movies or at the mall, nor am I saying to do anything, it was just my opinion for those who are actually trying to save money, make money strictly from IM and those that pertain to that category.

    I mentioned that just the first page of my keyword is a little competitive. You can say that it's not that easy as it used to be but what if it still is easy? I know many people (even one of my competitors) here that just purchases heavy link packages here, I' m not actually sure if he does anything else but that sure sounds easy and very less time consuming rather than building links yourself throughout the day, which is beyond boring. I know quality over quantity of course, however, I also asked how many links should you build per day or on a daily basis if you will?

    I kind of agree and disagree with you.

    Lets say, you have a friend. Your friend quit his job because he doesn't want to work there anymore and he would rather stay home and work out. Your friend is married, his wife works a 9-5 job and he only see's her when she gets home late at night. Your friend decided to open up his own business. He created a website for his local city promising to do "whatever". He starts working and his job is just from 12 PM to 4-5 PM which is just about 4-5 hours and at the end of the day, he gets paid $50, depending on how much hours he has worked. He also just works on certain days like Tuesday and Friday only, which is not a lot of money if you are living with a family consisting of your wife and kids. So your friend works out the whole day and goes to work just on Tuesday's and Friday's not bringing in a lot of money but also goes out to plenty of stores and buys his and his kids lunch at restaurants every day. He is basically spending his whole pay check throughout the week on the stores he shops at and the lunches he has at restaurants. His wife is getting worried of the amount of money he is spending on a daily basis or on a weekly basis because they have to pay their mortgage and other bills. They are not budgeting their money, no? That lifestyle of the guy in this story is not that great when deep down he knows that he doesn't have a lot of money but still spends it when in which he could be saving it for his bushiness and other things where he could reinvest it better.

    I did not say or tell anybody here how to spend their money. I was just giving my opinion or advise and asking questions. I agree with you that you or anybody could spend their money however they'd like to. Going out to your movies on a Friday night every other week is good. Not budgeting your money is not safe, period. Especially, if you need the money to pay for certain things like your phone bill and etc. However, I do agree with you because life is very short. Thank you for your advice though.
     
  7. RayBay

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    Choosing hard kw was your first mistake. 3rd page for competitive kw for beginner is a good result.
    Concerning your musician skills - hard to judge. If you have talent to compose and/or sing use it.

    Having good im skills could help you become popular if used wisely.
     
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    But the first page is all that matters.
     
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  10. bellydance

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    The problem is knowing what is garbage and what isn't. SO many lies...
     
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    Do the work by yourself until you understand it enough to outsource. Spend money on partying. Problem solved.

    You cannot outsource the know-how part.
     
  12. donut020

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    You may want to try to get the same Backlinks as your competitors. Just use Ahrefs and copy what they did. T0mmy wrote a great article on that topic a few months ago: https://ahrefs.com/blog/steal-backlinks/
     
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  13. AceCanoe

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    I guess you're right choosing a hard keyword. So far I got 4 leads from it which is kind of bad but at the same time not bad being on the 4th page. That just shows that it has a lot of potential if it was on the first page. I'll have to keep trying to reach first page though no matter what.

    I know. I actually know a lot of people that have crazy talent but don't use it or try to put themselves out there with it. At the end of the day, it's their decision and their life though. Thanks for the advice I appreciate it!

    I never thought it that way considering that I have already got 4 leads from it just being on the 4th-5th page. I'll keep that in mind for sure!

    Nopeee. It's facial hair removal since I don't really like mine and don't like shaving a lot ether!

    I already kind of outsourced links for my site, I purchased a few heavy and expensive links from the marketplace here which did push my ranking for my site up. I have been trying to do the work myself as well, it just gets boring since I'm not seeing a lot of results yet.

    I think I heard of that before but I never actually looked into it. I will check it out right now. I just know that the competitors that are on the first page (while I'm bouncing back and forth from the 8th page to the 4th page) are buying or outsourcing their backlinks. I know one of them that are purchasing expensive PBN links from the BHW marketplace (which I already did before) but buying PBN link packages worth over 400$ every other week/month is too much when you don't know if it'll help you or do the opposite. I've also been lowkey thinking about building my own PBN, it just sounds like a lot of work to me. I'd have to look into automation tools or something because I can't always be updating the network with articles/etc, which would look unnatural. But thanks a lot for the advice!
     
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