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Dog Breed restrictions in the U.S.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Roparadise, Jul 22, 2013.

  1. Roparadise

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    I was doing some research to see if the Caucasian shepherd dog was restricted in my city,its not. But when doing the research I noticed that the U.S. is pretty strange when it comes to banning or restricting dog breeds. Almost every single city or state ordinance regarding "dangerous" dogs nearly singles out the pit bulls(and related breeds) and disregards other dogs that are just as vicious. Whereas other countries with restrictions on certain breeds usually have a ban on a wider variety of dogs not just the pit bull.

    Is it due to the lawmakers not knowing or just that since few have imported dogs such as the Caucasian Shepherd its not a threat? I can get a pitbull for $300 but its going to be a minimum of $2500 to get a Caucasian Shepherd not counting transportation of it.
     
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    These people care: dogforums.com
     
  3. ButcherPete

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    What often happens in the US is that some thing is linked to a few deaths (there's just a link or involvement of some kind; that doesn't necessarily mean that the thing is the direct cause of the death) Anyway, lawmakers whip up a frenzy about these things that are allegedly leading to all this death, and they push for a ban on them in order to look like they're "doing something."

    Pit bulls are not actually that dangerous. They can be if you don't take care of them and socialize them properly, but that's the case with any breed of dog.
     
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  4. Roparadise

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    From what I was reading the pit bulls are not actually the toughest dogs, many of those shepherd dogs and guard dogs from overseas can do much more potential damage if not trained well.

    I think its the culture surrounding pitbulls, so many people use them for fighting and fanboys of them exaggerate their fighting ability. I've actually seen posts on forums where pittbull fans believed their pit bull could take on a wolverine(which have been known to kill polar bears)
     
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    My families pit bull (we named him Hooch, damn he was a great dog) when I was around 7 or 8 years old, we went to the Dog Beach and someone else's Labrador grabbed him by the throat. We even had some illegals working on a house behind us, they tried to break into our shed and Hooch ran after them.

    Unfortunately he slammed his head into the truck door, they got away and we lost our other pit-pup Titan, he became aggressive after that.

    Goes to show the all-american icon dogs aren't that perfect, and pitbull loyalty is beyond compare.
     
  6. spmcnerd

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    Try to raise 2 pit bitches and tell me how well that probable outcome went. Pits get the short end of the stick because people think it makes their get-a-long longer. Like tattoos everybody aspires to have one. In America it seems we do...

    Had a medium pit just under a 1yr old that would sit (like they do for treats) at my left foot as long as I stood or sat 1-12 hours. At night he'd bed at bottom of bed and pop up like a hood ornament if he heard something. He wouldn't play and really only smiled when I got home. Weirdest dog experience for me.
     
  7. kvmcable

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    Any dog can be good or bad depending on the environment and owner's ability to raise a pack animal. Unfortunately for pits, the owners are mostly from the most ignorant when it comes to raising dogs so the dogs natural instinct controls its behavior. A wild or un-trained dog is dangerous to most of civilization. I don't blame the pits but the ignorant pit owners for their negative branding.

    As far as a "few deaths" I think it's more like hundreds of deaths in the USA from pits with thousands more seriously gored. Again when common sense is removed then laws are created. I know locally we had one get loose and take down a 87 year old man in his yard. While that case was pending in Court and about 6 months later the same dog "accidentally" got loose and took down a 10 year old girl. The dog didn't kill either of them but were in bad shape. After the second attack the Court didn't want to hear the owner's excuses and the dog was euthanized. Completely the owner's fault IMO.
     
  8. Roparadise

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    It would make more sense to put restrictions on certain breeds where you have to take a course on how to train that certain type of breed. Instead of banning the entire breed, just because the majority of owners don't know shit about training their breed and get it because its cool and makes you seem badass to own that type of dog.

    Im still lol'ing at the people that think a pitbull could own a wolverine in a fight.
     
  9. dobsonFly

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    Breed restrictions are one of those things that always gets me up in arms. There are a bunch of US cities that require registration of certain "dangerous" breeds and some that completely ban them to the degree of collecting the dog and euthanizing it. Shepherds and Rotties and Pits always seem to get the shaft with this kind of stuff, especially pits.

    My argument points re this issue
    1. The term "pitbull" isn't really a thing. It's an amalgamation of English and American Staffordshires and American Pit Bull Terriers. All of them have a super negative reputation because of the association between these dogs and criminal activity.
    2. Rottweilers and German Shepherds have stronger bites per pound than "pits" and retrievers are involved in more attacks.
    3. To get around breed restrictions I had my lab/staffordshire/??? mix certified as a therapy dog. So suck it breed restrictions.
    4. If you can't handle training and care of a dog. Don't get one.
    According to the AKC:
    The Am Staff is a people-oriented dog that thrives when he is made part of the family and given a job to do. Although friendly, this breed is loyal to his family and will protect them from any threat. His short coat is low-maintenance, but regular exercise and training is necessary

    Basically, my dog, who is chilling in my office right now and volunteers with the elderly on weekends, is tame and great with kids and strangers, not because of his breed but because I worked with him to make sure he would be. At least he is right up until the part where you tried to hurt me or my house or my car. Then he'll growl and get all angry face until I tell him to cool it.
     
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  10. Roparadise

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    The Staffies can only achieve a bit force of around 235, the American German shepherds* 238, rotweilers 328, but the Shepherd dogs from turkey and the Caucasus region can get up to 750.

    http://wildhauskennels.com/gsdtypes.htm
     
  11. dobsonFly

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    If you want to get super into it, there's a journal article, "Cranial dimensions and forces of biting in the domestic dog" in the 2009 Journal of Anatomy that's pretty cool and I would link too but I'm too busy being newbile

    But yeah, the biggest thing is the whole association pits have with criminal activity and as "fighting dogs" (I'm looking at you Michael Vick)