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Doesnt SEO tools kill the business of SEO service providers here on BHW?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by SilverKnight, Jun 9, 2012.

  1. SilverKnight

    SilverKnight Power Member

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    I was just wondering doesn't SEO tools like GSA SER kill the business of SEO service providers here on BHW? I'm new to the SEO game, and I was thinking buying some SEO service here for my first site - but then I came across the GSA SER sales thread and it made me wonder - why pay monthly to SEO providers when I can get GSA for a one time payment and do all the SEO myself for the rest of my life? Obviously, I'll need to learn a lot but still that tool does everything on auto pilot so..

    The main point of creating this thread was to know if a total noob like me should buy SEO services or buy this tool and do the SEO myself?

    What are your thoughts?
     
  2. ionutcib

    ionutcib Junior Member

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    If you use the paid services they should know SEO and you do not need that. If you use automated tools you need to know SEO in order for you to not be set as a spammer. The automated tools are much cheaper than paid services and of course that paid services do not guarantee you a good position after all.
     
  3. Sampler

    Sampler Senior Member

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    Hopefully this is a somewhat good analogy for this situation,

    "If I was a world class chef and told you exactly how to prepare the best salmon of your life, would you still like me to cook it or are you happy to?"
     
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  4. dbyrn

    dbyrn Power Member

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    There's a huge gap between owning a tool and using it's full potential. In addition the best SEO services here utilize a set of different tools plus some "secret sauce".
    I have a few SEO tools and still buy services here!

    D.
     
  5. artizhay

    artizhay BANNED BANNED

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    A fool with a tool is still a fool. Many providers actually use tools. Many don't. But they all know how to leverage a strategy to most effectively help your site, rather than someone just blasting links anywhere he can with a tool.
     
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    I agree with your thread.

    its kills our business widely. soon many would go with cheap price xrummer and senuke.

    i own a firm and we are doing manual seo service, but our business widely affected by these cheap price tools.

    well they do 2 days work in 5 minutes of time :(
     
  7. Lowbrow

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    If we're talking about massive, low-quality numbers - whether in links or in content - then tools can do the job. And yes, the tools level the playing field considerably (even taking into account the time/knowledge needed to learn to expertly use the tool).

    Just look at the way Xrumer and then later the drio feed link building services caused the value of a single link to plummet. Those links became sooooo cheap they are now almost worthless.

    This is where an actual human comes in. I would (and actually I do) pay someone to build hand-written social profiles and web 2.0s for me. And I do it myself manually as well. Why? No tool can create those. They just can't - even with the best spun content. (And by the way I use spun content from time to time.)

    Another thing to consider is that when a tool is sold, it loses it's value immediately. As soon as everyone has access to something, it's not unique and exclusive anymore, is it? Which means it's results can be duplicated - sometimes thousands of times. Again, the "Xrumer effect" comes to mind.

    People have asked me if I will be selling my private network management suite. I have always said, "Maybe" because I know that a couple of things will happen: 1) everyone and their brother will have a private network, which may cause them to become too common and 2) the software will become either nulled/pirated or duplicated by others - again, cheapening its' effectiveness and usefulness.

    It comes down to an issue of quality - every time. I've been in SEO for years now, I've seen all the tools and all the methods. No one knows my name because I only started posting on forums this year but trust me I've been around since RSSGM and YACG and before that. Tools are just that...tools. A hammer is merely one implement in someone's repertoire. But I have met good builders and bad ones - both with the same hammer.

    Make sense?
     
  8. Negative SEO

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    a bit like saying, 'can't i just buy some wrenches and be a mechanic?' well...perhaps, but you need to learn a lot first or you'll mess up your car for good. ;-)
     
  9. VIC SEO

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    Googgle penguien update has affeced lot of users using tools.The manual service still has much value even the tools exist.
     
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    Safe linkbulding = quality first tier. No tool can give you quality backlinks (excluding private tools).
     
  11. SuperLinks

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    Most services CAN'T be replicated easily with tools and/or effort. They've built time building some type of proprietary system or methods that you can't or don't know how to do.

    Sure you could spend the time and/or money and likely build something similar but the real question is whether or not you should be spending your time on doing that or working on your business?

    It's the same concept as most services in life. Should you clean your house or pay someone to clean it up for you? Should you spend time changing the oil on your car or pay someone else to do it?

    It's no different than most services in life. It should be based on a cost vs time analysis to determine what's best for you and your business.