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Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by jazzy121, Sep 21, 2009.

  1. jazzy121

    jazzy121 Newbie

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    Does white hat exist? And if then why people like me don?t have more then 20 visitors. I need help.

    I am running a genuine retail and professionally designed website with less then two years of domain age. I tried every white hat method to get more traffic but still I have 20 visitors +/-
    I don?t know what I am doing wrong; Google just indexed 5 pages out of 50. Though I did back links organically but all with my efforts I could not exceed more then 60 back links. For sure I submitted my site on more then 500 different places including b2b, b2c, social, and all type of directories. Does white hat exist because I am using Market samurai and some of my competitors even don?t have title tag and they are PR5 and why Google can?t see them.

    Your advice is highly appreciated.
     
  2. eskimo

    eskimo Regular Member

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    tough niche? i agree though, you need at least some dark white hat stuff going on to get decent traffic
     
  3. waz11

    waz11 Junior Member

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    Perhaps you are in a niche where not many people are searching online for your products or services?
     
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    wowhaxor Executive VIP Premium Member

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    White hat only exists for those not in IM/looking to make money. Even building 1 link and you are no longer WH because you are attempting to manipulate SE rankings.

    The only people that are true white hat are people that like start a blog to document their baby growing up for personal use or whatnot. You know, those people who select 'no' after installing wordpress when it asks if you want search engines to be able to see your blog... crazy kids.
     
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    44blackhatters Registered Member

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    You really need to look at your market and be honest about what kind of traffic that niche generates. Sometimes we get so caught up in what "should be" a great website idea that we forget to make sure we can monetize our idea.

    Also, is it a product/service that people are willing to buy online? Take my parents for example...they will go online to research all day long...but ask them for a credit card online and they can't run away fast enough.

    Sounds like its a good time to review your marketing concept.

    Or...could be that the blackhatters rule this particular niche.
     
  6. kiangan

    kiangan Newbie

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    on my niche, white hat really works. we have 2-10 optins per hour through white hat
     
  7. Website

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    My main site whitehat and gets thousands of visitors, but its all though spamming chat communities and such. The only search engine traffic it gets is when people search for the domain name, but that's only because of curiosity.
     
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    You say you only have 5 out of 50 pages indexed by Go0gle ? To ask the obvious question , have you submitted your sitemap in webmaster tools ?
     
  9. bhatsuccess

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    I would say it's not possible to properly go through all of the steps that it takes to build traffic and have such a low amount of visitors. There is obviously something missing from the puzzle here.

    I have white hat methods of bringing a couple thousand to your site monthly within 1-2 months. Alot more than that is possible depending upon the niche.

    What industry does your site fall under or what are the primary keywords?
     
  10. azxten

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    You need gray hat stuff. Buy links, etc.
     
  11. stargate03

    stargate03 Registered Member

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    Its difficult to give any real constructive advice without knowing

    URL of your site
    What keywords you are looking to get visitors for

    Heres some basic advice

    Lets say your site is about Rolex Watches

    Do some keyword research and find keywords that have low competition and reasonable number of searches per month

    an example Rolex Yacht Master - 350k competing sites anything below 750k is pretty easy to get a high ranking for

    Havent checked it on MS but Google states this term gets 1600 searches a month which is adequate

    So now build your site so that one of its pages is called "Rolex Yacht Master" and learn SEO so that you can build a good optimized page.

    Then go and get backlinks to this page using the Anchor "Rolex Yacht Master"

    Code:
    <a href="http://www.yoursite.com">Rolex Yacht Master</a>
    My advice get your backlinks to start with from as many Web 2.0 sites (you can read about this everywhere) as you will see your rankings in google climb drastically

    If this doesnt happen, pass your site through an SEO optimizer, theres a few online that will tell you if your code is screwing up what Google sees.

    Hope that helps
     
  12. neo

    neo Power Member

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    White hat is a myth.

    According to google any activity to artificially get backlinks to your site is wrong. Google wants other to feel your site is great and link to it without any efforts from your part.

    That means submitting your site to directories, bookmarking, link exchanges, asking for other to link, commenting on other blogs to get links etc are not white hat. However the so called white hats, won't agree with this because according to them if your method doesn not involve spaming other sites to get links, then it is white hat. If that is true, why the fuck they think cloaking and doorway page generation are shady? When we generate thousands of pages on our server, we are not spaming anyone. Don't say that we are filling internet with garbage.

    In short pure white hat doesn't exists. Ask a whitehat webmaster and some may tell linkwheel is blackhat. If you ask a real blackhat he would probably laugh.

    The truth is, unless you are big celebrity or have a highly news worthy site, nobody is going to link to you. You need use all the shady techniques to build links to your site. But make sure that you cover your activities well.
     
  13. xpressioniz

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    5/50 pages indexed? you must be doing it wrong. Check for any orphaned (no internal link to the page) and dead end pages (no link out). If this is your issue, you might having a penalty. First of all, check your on-page optimization first. I've got 2 pages indexed on a white hat site but got 100 visitors/day already.

    Another issue is maybe you're trying it too hard on a tough niche. Go for long tail first with small competitions before going to blast the short keywords.
     
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    Some interesting points here.

    I think everything comes down to research. I often have trouble defining white and grey hat activities.

    There are some interesting threads usually the key is how automated a process is. The more automated the darker the hat. Big g even gets p1ssed for any kind of automated tools, so even automating searches can be considered black hat in some circles.

    For example I have heard all kinds of opinions regarding link wheels ranging from ppl considering the activities to be white, grey and black.

    The difficulty I have is starting to work with people how dark should you go for a client?

    :)
     
  15. jazzy121

    jazzy121 Newbie

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    Thanks every body!

    Xpressioniz Ya you have a point....I should go for long tail first. and BTW is there any method I can check if am penalized cause I in the Google web master tools I checked time to time in Diagnostics section for error messages but I don't see any error message.


     
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    This is a good point on penalties I just launched my company site and got all pages indexed within approx. 48 hours I believe using big g webmaster tools / site map.

    It was a very basic static html site with good internal linking and using some very basic html tags for optimization h1, title etc. the domain was also aged and the main keyword.

    Simplicity itself but not designed for traffic I just wanted to rank #1 for my company name which I have done it is just used for a bit of info on my services.

    Keyword also outrageously low competition but brings up over 3 million pages so looks impressive ;)

    Pick your battles!

    :)
     
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  17. eestisiin

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    I think that the boundaries of white hat have been moving ever since the IM got VIRAL and everyone is trying to manipulate SE.

    I believe that If you comment someones article and write a nice response and then leave your url there, then it is white hat - but when you build 500 links and all say NICE POST, then this is white hat.

    When you bookmark your pages, then it is ok, but when you bookmark your page under 1000 different bookmarking accounts then its the same.

    Every last person wants to get their sites up and they all build links, but its the matter of how they are built - massive and fast <- blackhat but when you use linkbait, slow and steady building then I believe this is whitehat
     
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    SEO is too difficult. Getting traffic for high quality keywords is like pulling teeth ( and I mean serious traffic; not 20 hits a day) All of the successful bloggers and marketers in my niche don't use SEO as far as I can tell. The big companies with big budgets do SEO
     
  19. Serpico

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    I think any offsite seo is some forum of greyhat.
     
  20. TomasBlackhat

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    White Hat doesn't work! You can rank first easily...for a keyword with 500 searches a month. But if you want to get rankings, visitors and money, well quite frankly, it ain't going to happen. It's not very likely. I know this by the dozens of white hat sites I've tried to make that failed.