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Does Google Monitor Nameservers for PBN?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by The Mentalist, Jun 21, 2014.

  1. The Mentalist

    The Mentalist Power Member

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    So I use vps.net for hosting, it's for a high traffic site and it's pretty solid hosting if you know how to take advantage of it. They allow you to buy a dedicated IP for just an extra $2 a month, and they let you pick from many server zones to pull the IP from. As I'm starting to build a PBN, I'm thinking this would be a great way to manage many sites without having them be linked together. The only thing that would be a red flag (from what I can tell), is that the nameservers would all be the same. But vps.net by default only uses 2 nameservers for everything, DNS1.VPS.NET and DNS2.VPS.NET. So it's not as obvious as having something like NS45.Hostgator.com and NS46.Hostgator.com as all of the nameservers. Should I just use something like cloudflare and other DNS services to help mix it up? Or should it be fine with all of those same nameservers because they are the only ones vps.net uses and they are a pretty large hosting company now...
     
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    Check if they allow you to use custom nameservers or register the nameservers yourself. Maybe talking to their online support might help.
     
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    If all the IPs are assigned to vps.net, then it's not going to matter if the DNS is the same or if you use different c-blocks, anyone (including google) can see that they're all being hosted with the same company. The only way to truly mask that aspect of your PBN is to use completely different hosts.
     
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    I have noticed email providers like gmail and yahoo monitoring nameservers. If they do google should too IMO if they are as good as they say they are at what they are doing. Putting each domain on their own nameservers should be a good idea.

    Then again, even if you got IPs from different classes on the same server, all that it takes google is a simple traceroute to find all ips lead to the same server, and a look up of the hostname of the server would reveal it. So IMO getting shared hosting accounts at different places should be the right thing to do.
     
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    this
    we and google ( of course) already know to track rout and whois info of these IPs, seo hosting IPs will lead to the same geographical place, same IP owner --------> clear signals of PBN
    ----> totally different hosting providers is the key.
     
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    That makes sense, but consider this, what percentage of websites on the web are hosted by Endurance International Group? Probably a ridiculous percent (for the context). Millions of sites may be hosted on a certain hosting provider, isn't it easily possibly for a large percentage of your referring domains to have IPs that originate from the same hosting provider?

    Also note that the IPs can be more than unqiue C-class, there are dozens of locations VPS.net has servers at. So I could get many different IPs that have no similar classes. I could host about 60 sites that have different B class, and maybe 18 that are unique A class.

    I mean Google can connect dots and follow footprints, but it seems like Google could go so far before many whitehat sites are wrongly penalized. And VPS.net is by no means a SEO hosting provider, but a premium cloud server provider.
     
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    Better be safe than sorry, I wouldn't use the same company for every site.
     
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    As we both basically pointed out, if you really want to mask your PBN you you need to spread it out among a variety of hosting companies, including, depending on how big it is, hosting companies in different countries. Few people are going to do that though and how many threads pop up about them having problems with their sites when they're linking to them from their PBN? My attitude is always, do it right or don't do it at all.

    Interestingly, I just checked one of my hostgator IPs.. Came up as what looks like bluehost. Wouldn't be smart of me to then host a site on bluehost and think google wouldn't somehow see that.

    Just pop in your ips and see who they're assigned to http://whois.arin.net/

    Back in the day I thought I was being so smart using different Cs etc. In fact I have different As, Bs etc. And hey, everyone was doing it right? But in the back of my mind it just didn't sit right with me.. Then I finally realized that it simply doesn't matter cause all those IPs were assigned to the same hosting company.

    I don't understand why people don't get this though. It's not like google would have to use a hell of a lot of storage or processing to know what host every IP out there is assigned to.. Pretty simple and basic for them to implement.
     
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    Thanks for your advice. I'll follow this point too...

     
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    Well, there are SEO hosting providers who have dedicated servers spread all over the globe. Different places, providers, nameservers, etc. But of course, it still better to choose truly different hosting. Its all about the risk and money you are willing to invest.
     
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    Hi OP,

    Yes, they do monitor the nameservers of the company. However, there is an enormous amount of websites and ip address to be tracked and identified. What Big 'G' network does is to mass send their crafted algorithms to determine suspicious grounds and performed manual pursues by experts.

    Not every website(s) would be classified as bad but once footprints are identified, the website(s) is/are prepared to be 'sandboxed'.
     
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    Get those $2 per month shared hostings and use the nameservers you get. That way you hide among the pool of various other sites on your same host. That's the safest way to stay under the radar.

    If you are on one host with different IP's then use custom nameserver but I am not sure how safe is that. They can easily crack down that in future.
     
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    Yup guess its time to just break on an excel spreadsheet and start making hosting accounts, lol. Was just trying to figure out if there was an easier way to do this.

    It's not that I doubt Google can track which hosting providers own what IP ranges. But rather that I'm not sure how Google could come to any conclusions using this, because its totally possibly for a website to have 10 powerful backlinks pointing to it, with all of those sites being hosted on Bluehost. Can Google really penalize a site for that? Google can connect dots all they want, but if those patterns don't actually discern webspam from organic link acquisition they can't do anything about it without screwing over tons of people...

     
  15. OldFatGuy

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    You don't need to put them all on different hosts.. Just spread them around.. What some people do is they'll put several PBN sites on the same host but link them to completely different money sites. Having a couple on the same host pointing to a money site isn't bad either as long as you are careful about what else they link to etc. Just think about what would really look "natural"...

    I've noticed a hosting company posted on the forum a couple times that say they'll handle this sort of thing for you. I have NO idea what they do or how they go about doing it. I suspect they have reseller accounts with various hosting companies and so you don't have to sign up to a ton of companies yourself but I haven't looked into it. Might be worth looking in to but you should do more research into them first. cloakhosting.com