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Does G**gle assign PR to sites in "bad neighborhoods?"?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by DFunny, Sep 25, 2010.

  1. DFunny

    DFunny Regular Member

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    I was wondering if Google will assign a high PR to site's considered to be part of a "bad neighborhood". I had some comment spamming blow up in my face and I'm wondering if I could avoid in the future by only posting to pages that are on PR3+ domains.
     
  2. gurkoboy

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    I think that if posting links to bad neighborhoods made google devalue your website in ANY way, then we could just spam out competitors through 10k auto approve viagra spam blogs and completely drown their legitimate backlinks out.

    The worst I think that can happen is google ignores those links. I think that google operates on a longer time scale as well, you might see the benefits from those comments in 2-3months time, its difficult to tell what's happening in the short term as the SERPS aren't updated anywhere close to real-time.
     
  3. aznxmtg

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    It is a volume game, baby.
     
  4. DFunny

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    Yeah I used to believe that same spam comments couldn't hurt a site too...

    I had a couple sites that were ranking high for several keywords within their niches. They never made that much money so I didn't pay much attention to them and when I noticed they slipped a couple spots I did so comment spamming to boost them back up. About a week or two later both the domains were de-indexed for the majority of the keywords that they were ranking for.

    IMO, spamming your link to sites in "bad neighborhoods" can definitely get you penalized. I'm not the only one this has happened to, I've seen several other threads recently where other users have reported the same thing.
     
  5. gurkoboy

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    Deindexed means that the entire website has been removed from the google index. If you were deindexed searching "www.yourwebsite.com" would show absolutely no results. If you disappeared from the SERPS for keywords you WERE ranking for, there is absolutely nothing you can do at the moment and chances are you will return. It probably has more to do with the influx/volume of backlinks than it does the link neighborhood, have you tried blasting a site with CLEAN backlinks? if you point a giant bunch of clean links to a site in a short period of time it will STILL disappear from the rankings for some keywords.

    I've had this happen to so many of my own websites, I think you'll be fine and I am almost 100% sure that "bad neighborhoods" are another SEO myth. If that really was the case we would be seeing a lot of people getting their competitors websites de-indexed.

    It's NOTHING to spam 10k comments to viagra/insurance loan spammed blogs/forums.
     
  6. DFunny

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    I understand what deindexing is, I apologize if I used the term incorrectly but I'm pretty sure you got the point.

    I still think it's a penalty. I blasted these comments 2-3 weeks ago and it was less than 1k approved comments per site. Remember, I was only trying to boost these sites up a spot or two, not shoot them to the moon.

    It's been a week or so since the first site fell of the cliff and it still doesn't rank in the top 1000 for any of the keywords it used to rank top 10 in. Several of the terms it ranked around 20 in the SERPs for are holding steady ranking at like 951 with no sign of improvement.

    I know what you mean by having sites drop out of the SERPs only to reappear and usually at a higher position. This doesn't feel like that what-so-over. There's been a huge drop in the rankings across the board with no sign of it bouncing back.

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  7. Longover

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    Looks like the sandbox. You'll probably notice your site ranking bounce back about 2-3 times and then drop back around 900 for a month or so. You can try following the info in that Sandbox guide in the dl section. You basically reconfigure your site a little and Google sometimes bumps you up because it looks different.

    I've tried to find a fast way out of the sandbox and I haven't yet... $#%! Google in the face
     
  8. DFunny

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    I hit both sites much much harder when they were still very new. If they were going to get sandboxed I assume it would've been then.
     
  9. MisterGemini

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    Just keep building links.. you will recover faster/quicker/better. It's like a psych-out by google. If it is all being done by you, you will stop. If it's 'natural', the links will continue to be coming to your site. Algo sees/calculates that then brings the site back to where it should be, at the top.

    Call it sandbox, google dance, whatever, just barrel through it with more links.
     
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    I don't think this is the way it works. I built, was sandboxed, then stopped dead for 3 months, then returned, then started building again. This happened twice, when I was new to SEO.

    So at least I know it doesn't always exactly work like that. It seems like an elegant theory but there isn't enough evidence to regard it as true. Nobody knows, and there is less evidence for this effect than there is for many other things in SEO which we generally tend to believe.

    Perfect evidence will always be elusive in seo but some theories can still hold more or less water than others. I think that the psych out theory holds very little water.

    It may be that it is a factor, but sometimes it is expressed strongly (when there arent that many other important factors in play such as low competition kws) and at other times less strongly. Still, it cannot be used as a catch-all general rule or explanation.

    Still, the message is the same. Keep building links.
     
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  11. MisterGemini

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    Maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough. What you are describing is exactly the opposite of what I was suggesting. When you do get danced/sandboxed, instead of stopping everything dead and confirming it was all link spam, you continue to build your links regardless of the sandboxing.. keep it going. What you did was stop dead and wait 3 months till you saw signs of recovery and started again. Very different. :)
     
  12. Yukinari84

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    First, you may want to take a look at what Google says about comment spamming:

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    http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/11/hard-facts-about-comment-spam.html
    From my own personal testing and results, I have never been de-indexed or had any type of penalty put on my sites.

    However, I do believe that Google can and sometimes will de-value or completely ignore the link (not your site) if it's in a "bad neighborhood".

    I have always kept my link building versatile which give me a higher success rate when building backlinks. It's never good to put all your eggs in one basket. Just keep building links and keep moving forward.
     
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  13. Micallef

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    Well if it's a natural site as you describe, then the links will keep coming in - probably, anyway.

    However, what I did was behave like an unnatural site, with unnatural and inconsistent gaps between link growth periods.

    Still, I came back very strongly afterwards. So the sandbox "trap" did not prevent strong recovery in these cases.

    Ergo, Google does not always take unnatural growth or "falling for the sandbox trap" as a reason not to rank a site very well upon recovery. However, it may do this at other times, but this is unsubstantiated theory and not verified in controlled trials.

    Anyway, I'm delving too deeply into areas where there is precious little information available and therefore more speculation.

    The moral is of course to keep building links as you correctly state :)
     
  14. suzieq

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    Some of the top authority sites are also found on spam sites (posted by whoever), but they also have a very good balance of decent authority sites too. I would imagine you wouldn't want all your links in bad neighborhoods as it lowers the tone of your own property, but may be ok with a few when mixed with many more goodies.