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Does B.H. methods = Lying to you guys and girls?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by stressfree, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. stressfree

    stressfree Senior Member

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    I am all for bending rules to our econimc advantage but frankly in the past 2+ years this has spilled into lying through your back teeth to sell something at all costs.

    Is that B.H. to you? Lying, tricking people into J.V's or buying something?

    What started off as atrickle a few years ago seems to be the norm on here now. Almost every post i read is filled with lies. The JV and Wholesale sections are infected and have been abandoned.

    I wonder why it went this way? Ther eare still golden nuggets and genuine people here but it's few and far betwen these days.
    I know certain countries they whole business ethic is to simply lie as much as possible to ge the sale. It seems to have spread into Western culture as well now.

    Be careful.
     
  2. lonny41

    lonny41 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Yeah, it sucks, but you just have to network and stay within your trusted circle. I know a few people here I can trust, and they know they can trust me through previous transactions and jv's. I don't go outside my circle unless another person is referred by one of the people I trust.
     
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  3. Chris22

    Chris22 Regular Member

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    Some people draw their line closer to dishonesty than others. What matters at the end of the day is how you choose to conduct business. If you are honest and treat your customers well, then you will have a better chance at getting repeat business - much better for long term. People who rip people off and lie usually don't have the luxury of having repeat customers!
     
  4. Getwhatchuwant

    Getwhatchuwant Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    People interpret BH differently, for some its finding a way to make money while bending some rules a company decides to place on the industry (example bhw vs google) others feel bh is any shady way to gain an advantage (example flagging your youtube vids and neg seo) and others feel that bh is a way to make quick money (example scams against consumers and fellow bhw members)

    I try to conduct myself in a way that if I met anyone of you in person that A) you wouldnt want to kill me and B) I could hold my head up with pride regarding our business dealings. I am even less BH now and while I have no "love" for google I dont "hate" them either. I guess I have matured in the year and something I have been on the site.

    I am proud to say that I have had good business dealings (at least on my end) with anyone I have been in contact with, arranged for some outsource work with fellow bhw members, even helped get 2 bhw members full time jobs with salaries. On the other hand I have had my yahoo accounts flagged, neg seo done to my sites and even lost a little money with people who could not deliver the goods they promised.

    Despite all of that I do pretty well for myself and the future continues to look bright!

    Like others said, if you find a person you can trust try to scale up just like you do with any other method!!!
     
  5. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    If you think BH is about doing scams, you have a lot things to learn.
     
  6. Beingakrant

    Beingakrant BANNED BANNED

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    One Word ~~ Humbug!!

    Cheers :)
     
  7. GiorgioB

    GiorgioB Supreme Member

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    Lying to get sales existed long before black hat. And I don't see how building links to get #1 in google is lying or cheating.
     
  8. BHopkins

    BHopkins Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Black hat (to me) is the process of manipulating the search engines in a way that Google doesn't like.

    It has nothing to do with anything besides SEO.
     
  9. LakeForest

    LakeForest Supreme Member

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    My friendly OP: get offline, take a walk in your local mall, then come back and tell us about business ethics.

    Business is survival. There were never any rules in survival except to win.

    Things aren't bad on BHW or getting worse. What you're seeing is the new freshman class is appallingly greedy, lazy, and looking for the get-rich-quick software or method at a rate never seen before.

    All modern marketing is seduction. All modern marketing is selling a lifestyle. There is no need to tell any information about your product, and people will buy it, as long as the packaging is shiny.

    It isn't business that gotten worse, it isn't black hat methods that got worse, it's that the quality of people and their willingness to control/conduct/comport themselves has diminished.
     
  10. mkstromin

    mkstromin Power Member

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    Even WH forums are filled with scumbags!

    BH is not about deceiving people..BH is about staying ahead of curve, learning NEW methods, applying twists to OLD ones!

    BH is about learning to make the system work for you - - not you to work for it!

    You can't judge a community by the acts of morons! And trust me there are plenty!

    Getting genuine people is a process = you have to weed out the bad roots until you find the good ones!