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Does anyone else suffer from insomnia? I just can't shut my mind off and always in thought

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  1. txhepoker

    txhepoker Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hello BHW Brothers and Sisters,

    Just curious if anyone else suffers from insomnia. I cannot shut my mind off and am an extremely light sleeper. The littlest noise wakes me up. I am always thinking about my sites, how to improve them, rankings, what my competition is doing etc.. Am I prepared enough, have I done enough, did I complete all my task? I literally have to work until I am almost asleep on my keyboard to a point of pure exhaustion to be able to sleep. When I do awake I feel un-rested and lethargic. On a positive note it is what brought me here several years ago.

    Any tips on how to remedy this affliction is appreciated. I do not want to rely on medication as I have know some people get really messed up from it.

    Cheers
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    S.
     
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  2. Team LD

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    same here man! Remember that's in the long run it's gonna kill you and then you will do the reverse. Always thining of getting your health back and becomes a snowball effect. I would suggest to do YOGA. I do that atleast one hour a day and now its a lot better. Dont try gym or pilates as they are totally different from YOGA. Most people end up going to gym and it's just the total opposite of relaxation and keeps the mind pumped up.
     
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  3. txhepoker

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    I am ready to try anything.. It is 4:32AM where I am at the moment. Do you do it at a certain time? Morning night? Before bed?


     
  4. CommandobotStudios

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    I'm in a very similar situation but not that bad as yours. Currently I'm trying to create habits and so far these are helping me. Having showers before going to bed is helpful, and I'm always trying to do something relaxing after work, like playing silly flash games, cleaning my desk, anything will do.
     
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  5. smartboyhere

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    Every dedicated IM have this problem.. Me too...
     
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  6. Team LD

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    I do it in the morning and before sleep ( a hour or two before ).

    I use this,

    YOGA FOR SLEEP - YOGA JOURNAL ( NIGHT ) & YOGA FOR MENTAL CLARITY - YOGAJOURNAL ( MORNING ).

     
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  7. hekke

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    Do you have a daily to-do list where you check off tasks as you complete them? That helped me a lot, because then I know when I am done and can do something else (sleep for example).

    Best of luck anyways!
     
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  8. Neocortx

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    Omg, I had the same problem... sometimes I still have it, especially when the launch of one of my projects come near. My mind truly is a master at overthinking every goddamn aspect that could go wrong.

    Try mindfulness meditation (I recommend Sam Harris' explanations for it). It's basically just training your mind to not get "hooked" on thoughts, but rather pay attention to your breathing and sensations that arise during that. It helped me a great deal, so I'd definitely recommend you to try it out! Especially because if you get to do it 1 hour +, you'll feel like you've taken drugs (kinda similar to MDMA..... just an incomparable feeling of "being satisfied" without the least worries)

    warm regards,
    neocortx
     
  9. tony_d

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    Insomnia... or anxiety?
     
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  10. apiya

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    I'm not in your case i would like to be an hardworker like you. :D

    Anyway i've got some trouble to sleep. My only tips is to not think about that, when you are done with your job, try to forget ur work, go play some video game like hearthstone (not too fast just a relaxing game), then get off your chair take your laptop to your bed, watch a documentary about something you like, or better read a book without your laptop. And sleeppppp :D

    I try to work a lot when i wake up, then i eat and i do some stuff IRL, then i go back to work, after that i just reduce the amount of work, i start to go on BHW, mail, facebook etc... And i start slowly reading about what i should do tomorrow or in next future like investment, job, travel etc... Disconnect from work little by little. :D

    This work can be stressful so i believe you need to disconnect from
     
  11. Trepanated

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    I've had irregular sleep patterns in the past and for most of my life I thought of myself as a 'late-bird' rather than an 'early-bird'. I never even thought about going to bed until after midnight and would often have trouble sleeping even then. Having said that, I've always got up reasonably early too.

    In the past couple of years I've completely changed my pattern though and now I sleep better than I ever have.

    For me, I achieved the change through a combination of routine, diet and exercise. The diet and exercise was something I started without thinking about sleep, but it had a huge impact anyway.

    Routine however, was something I changed specifically to adjust my sleeping habits though - and it worked well.

    These days I make sure I eat around 7pm and then I start winding down for the day and relaxing. And I make myself go to bed as close after 10pm as I can. I do read on my phone in bed, but rather than books I browse through my various news feeds. That way I am not focussing my mind on any one topic, just digesting lots of smaller articles. I do that until I feel the first signs of sleep and then put the phone down.

    I know conventional wisdom is that reading in bed is not good form, but it works for me.

    As far as waking up, in winter my alarm is set for 5.30am and I tend to be up before 6am. In the summer though it's earlier and I am often out of bed by 5am.

    It took a while for me to adjust but I stuck with it and now it's second nature to be up early. What I noticed was if I wasn't militant with myself and forcing myself out of bed early, I would have more trouble getting to bed early. So for me, rising early was the key - if I got that right, going to bed early was much easier.

    Diet and exercise has also been a factor though. These days I exercise daily, starting with a walk up the river first thing in the morning and then weights 4 or 5 times a week too. The heavier the exercise load in my day, the earlier I am in bed too, unsurprisingly.

    And my diet is ridiculously healthy compared to what it was. It mostly consists of fruit, vegetables and fish and I know for sure that helps my sleeping patterns. The dietary changes were difficult at first, but I honestly couldn't imagine eating the shit I used to like these days. I know for certain that my diet has now changed for good.

    With all three of those changes (routine, diet, exercise) it did take determination to stick with them, but it was worth it - I do occasionally have a poor night's sleep (maybe once or twice a month) but even when that happens I am still awake early and it never happens for a second night.

    From what you've said, I would say routine would be your best start - perhaps start with turning the computer off by a certain time and doing something unrelated to work in the evening. And then force yourself to get up early, by whatever means necessary. You'll probably struggle in the morning at first, but it will help you get to bed earlier.

    Try that for a few days and see if it makes a difference.
     
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  12. Lauriat

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    I tried to count sheeps, but it won't help because always something funny happens with them .
     
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    I feel the problem with you is that you don't balance you life..

    Give equal time to everything in life.

    Give time for friends, family, work, gym, sex, bear, travel, long drive and everything else possible. But, never give too much time for any one thing.

    In your case I think you give too much time for work which is the outcome of what you are experiencing.. So start balancing you life & everything will automatically get normal.

    And you need more control over your mind to overcome what you are suffering & the best solution is MEDITATION.. Start with 10 minutes daily & slowly increase the durations. Do not expect to see sudden changes. Stay consistent & practise everyday without fail. You will see a lot of positive changes in you & have better control over your mind.

    Hope this helps..
     
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    I sometimes have similar problems but it seems to go away on it's on after a few weeks.

    It used to be a lot worse, but a few things have helped me. First, nowadays I never go to sleep before my body tells me to, no matter how late it is or how early I need to wake up. I found trying to fall asleep to be the worst thing. They say "whatever you resist, persists", and I've found that to be true in this case.

    Then in the morning, if I don't have to be anywhere, I try to sleep as long as I can. Often I wake up after 3-5 hours of sleep and just have the urge to just get up and start doing work or checking emails, but I just force myself to not move at all until I feel like I've slept enough. I don't even check the time on my phone because even that is enough to wake up my brain and it's bye bye to sleep.

    This sometimes results in really weird sleep schedules, but that doesn't really bother me nearly as much as constantly lacking sleep. Lack of sleep kills my creativity and makes me prone to stupid mistakes so I much prefer this.
     
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  15. Stemar

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    Just make up a daily schedule. Add reasonable number of tasks each day. When you are done, you are done. Go for a walk, have some beer, be social and meet with your friends. IM makes you somehow lonely and always focused. But that's the wrong way you should take. If you are mostly specialized in doing short-term projects and methods that need all your attention right now, then go grab the money. But if your main aim is long-term projects, then make the amount of your daily tasks normal and achievable for 8-10 hours.
     
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  16. GoldenGlovez

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    Sleep disorders suck man. I've dealt with them all my life and its always been a struggle with school and work. Its why I tend to gravitate towards night time activities and work. Making an independent living online has gone a long way to improving my overall happiness since I can set my own hours now.

    Don't have any specific advice, but I found since I stopped smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee my sleep has been much better in the last year.

    P.S I don't have really have Insomnia but this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder
     
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    I never had it that bad but I did used to have a real problem shutting off at night - my mind would be buzzing for ages thinking about everything I had to do.

    It sounds simple but after I started using a to-do-list it really helped - I use todoist.com now and I use it religiously - every single thing that I have to do goes in there and I find that once I have all my tasks listed in there I can shut off much more easily - for example if it gets to the end of the day and there is 20 things I havent done, I can put them all in the to-do-list for tomorrow then I can confirmatory forget about them.

    I also find that when doing a big project or task, splitting it down into manageable smaller tasks helps - then I can forget about the overall task if its daunting and just deal with each little bit at a time.

    Reading also helps me get to sleep and I guess some sort of meditation would really help as well...
     
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    Sex, lot of sex will cure insomnia
     
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    Yeah I similar problem and I really have to fight every night to got to bed soon and wake up early, but very often I lose. I lie in bed sometimes for hours and I'm thinking about business, but I also think its good sometimes, because I had some great ideas because of this.
     
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    Working out at night helps me, but I also take ambien to help.

    Valerian root is very good for sleep too.

    Alcohol+ambien and you're out quick and will sleep well no matter what. Just beware of ambien walrus. He takes you on adventures you'll never remember.