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Does all the best info get moved to the VIP section?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by jbtalk2me, Oct 30, 2010.

  1. jbtalk2me

    jbtalk2me Registered Member

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    LOL. I made a post last night with step by step instructions on how to buy your very own .gov and .edu domains. It's easy!

    My post got moved... NOT DELETED just moved. I can see a link to it in my UserCP but when I click the link, I get a message that says I don't have permission to view this! LOL, I wrote it!

    So if anybody wants to know how... UPGRADE I guess! So much for trying to give back.


    <END RANT>
     
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  2. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    The reason threads like that get moved is to protect the methods from over saturation.

    There's no reason for you to rant over it. When a thread gets moved it means you made a really good share. Making shares like that can get you noticed in a positive manner on here. Good job, hope to see more from you. Thanks for sharing.
     
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  3. thedorf

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    What is up with this? Mods look bad, bump the guy to Jr.Vip at least. Greywolf is teaching "you make a good post on BHW, we bury it, accept it". At least show a little tact. But more so, why does OP have 18 post with, get this, "192 thanks in 23 posts" (and 22 rep)? This has goofy written all over it. I saw the thread and most people here won't do jack with it.
     
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  4. jbtalk2me

    jbtalk2me Registered Member

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    So is it in the VIP section? And yes, my stats are screwed and I don't know why. I can't even post links. When I have stuff to share I can't. It also says I've been here 2 years and it's more like four now...
     
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  5. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    @thedorf - You misunderstood the point I was making in my last post. I'm not saying "you make a good post on BHW, we bury it, accept it".

    What I'm saying is that if the mods decide to move a thread to a vip section it's a good thing. The fact that a thread gets moved is recognition that it was a good share. When the mods move a thread they're also paying attention to who's making those kind of posts. So are all the members that do have the priveleges in whatever section it was moved to.

    There's basically 2 reasons that a thread will get moved.
    Either
    1- the method is something that'll get saturated way to fast by a lot of new people that won't even understand how to do it right and killing the method way to soon,
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    2- the share is pointing out some kind of trick or loophole that if left in the main forums to get indexed by google, is likely to be noticed sooner by the affected websites that will quickly close the loophole.

    You're right that most people aren't going to do anything with it, but it still might be best for it not to be left in the main forums to get indexed by google.

    Having a thread moved to Jr.Vip or Exec.Vip isn't some kind of punishment that needs to be accepted. It's done to try protecting the share. The OP even stated in his thread that anyone reading it shouldn't share it anywhere else or it might get ruined. Moving it to the vip sections will keep it from being indexed and give it a little more chance of remaining viable.

    Just because someone has a thread moved to Jr.Vip doesn't mean the member is automatically going to get bumped to Jr.Vip themselves. Typically even if a members shares are moved, they still need to donate to become Jr.Vip. It happens sometimes, but that's the exception not the rule.

    But even if a member doesn't get an automatic upgrade just because his share gets moved, it's still a recognition for a good share. You pointed out about his thanks and rep... well a lot of those thanks might be for posts in forums that don't count towad post count (like the downloads forum or the lounge) and a lot of thanks are for the share that got moved. His rep is almost all from that one thread. (+4 of them came from me) So it seems like he's getting plenty of recognition for the share and I'm sure if he makes other good ones then he'll be noticed for them as well.

    Like I told him before, he made a good share. There's no reason to be ranting about it. jbtalk2me should be happy that his share was considered good enough that it needed to be moved. That's the kind of recognition you want to be getting from the mods.

    @jbtalk2me- If you've been here that long then your stats might be screwed up because you may have had posts in some of the forums that were deleted last year like the CS or Ewhoring forums. I don't know if that's the case with your stats, but a lot of other longtime members have that problem. If you're having more problems with posting things lately it's probably because your official post count is low enough to be triggering the new member filters. Kind of a pain in the butt for you I'm sure, but it's part of the forum now.

    If you just keep making good posts like the one your talking about, I'm sure you'll get your post coun't up enough to avoid the filters in no time. Looks like your off to a good start so far.

    Good luck :)
     
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  6. cookiejar

    cookiejar Regular Member

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    That was thoroughly explained by GreyWolf. Should have expressed it like that from the begining but you kept it real.
     
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  7. MaxBrunt

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    how can I become VIP?
     
  8. jbtalk2me

    jbtalk2me Registered Member

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    I can accept that. How about just fixing my post count so I can post links. I'm sitting on a copy of easyvideoplayer2 developer version and can't share it. Along with a few other things. And I used to be able to post links.
     
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    Without killer content in the VIP section, why would anyone pay to join? Forums are great because you get the users to generate content and don't do anything :) They are just extremely difficult to get up and running... so I can't blame them for doing this.
     
  10. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    LOL. well I can't fix anything for you cause I'm not a mod or admin. I don't think it's anything that can be fixed anyway. The reason you used to be able to post links and you can't now is because the filters were made more restrictive a couple months ago. You just need to start posting in the right sections and the problem will take care of itself.

    Any posts you make in the Downloads, Items For Sale, Services For Sale, Hire A Freelancer, Introductions, The Lounge, Forum Suggestions, and The Shit List forums won't add to your post count.

    All the Main Forums count except for the downloads forum and all the Making Money forums count except the marketplace forums

    It sounds like you have quite a bit of knowledge to share. You just need to start posting in the main forums that add to your post count. Start making replies to posts in the forums that count and you'll probably be able to help a lot of people as well as getting your post count up.

    I'm looking forward to seeing more of your posts. :cool:
     
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  11. RedWolf

    RedWolf BANNED BANNED

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    You need at-least 100 post and 60 day before jump to vip.

    you can go here when you have 100 post.

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/payments.php
     
  12. joteb

    joteb Newbie

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    No good deed goes unpunished!

    LOL And the sad part is you can't upgrade to VIP until you have 100 post counts in only some forums? No matter how many years ago you joined. Or no?

    "If you have been a member of the forum for at least 60 days, and have made at least 100 posts, your $97 donation will promote you to a Jr. VIP membership, which allows you to access the hidden Jr. VIP forums. "

    And you can't read your own post now? Don't you own the copyrights to your own posts? The post should be deleted rather than moved and you censored from reading it. lol

    Thanked 192 times in 23 posts, rep 27, member for 2 years plus, but can't post a link and share, or even read your own post contribution?
    It's a sad day when filters become censorship under the label of protecting certain information!

    Just my opinion.
     
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  13. jbtalk2me

    jbtalk2me Registered Member

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    Thanks for the clarification, HELP and support everyone. Please stop PMing me. The post is now in the VIP section.:eek:
     
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    extremephp BANNED BANNED

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    Well, JB doesnt need to be pushed to Jr.VIP,, but he should be given access to his own threads no matter where ever it is moved to! Thats the fair deal to be done! Isnt that possible in Vbulletin?

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    I agree. Taking his method and not giving him access to his own thread is ****ed. Hopefully he gets access to it. When I see good methods I screen shot them like the thread the op is talking about :)
     
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  16. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    Like I said in my previous post, having a thread moved isn't a punishment. It's a recognition that it's a good share worth protecting from getting saturated. Making those kinds of shares will get the OP noticed on the forum in a positive way. Again it's a good thing.
    It isn't just posts in some forums. It's posts in the forums about how to make money and how to promote websites. The bulk of the posts in the forums that don't count are either unrelated to IM, or in the case of the downloads section comprised of primarily thanks for the share type posts given to a relatively small number of contributors. The real value of bhw is in the main forums and the making money forums. Those are the forums in which posts will increase your post count.
    The point of making posts on bhw is to share information and to some extent get some recognition for it. If a thread is moved it's done to protect the method. If your the one that posted it, then it doesn't matter if you can't read it... you already know about the method. It's moved to protect the method for you as well as others that will use it. Even if it is moved you're still going to be getting recognition for it. The OPs rep has more than doubled since is post was moved and he's recieved a lot of thanks for it. Had the thread been deleted that wouldn't have happened. If some people can still see his thread then they'll be able to see that he knows about certain things. If he continues to make good posts then people will notice. That can lead to potential contacts or even JV offers over time. That isn't guaranteed to happen, but if the thread were deleted it for sure wouldn't.
    The filters aren't in place to protect information or censor anything. They're in place to make it more difficult for spammers and bots to flood the forums. That problem was getting out of hand so the admins did what they had to do. It's inconvenient for new members, but if you're interested in becoming an active member it isn't that hard to get past it. For spammers and bots the inconvenience is enough to make it not worthwhile in most cases.

    If I can make over 1000 posts in the forums that count towards post count then I don't see why anyone would thing it hard to make 100. I mostly lurked on bhw just reading and searching for information for months before deciding to become Jr.Vip. Most of my posts had been in the marketplace so my counted posts were no more than 10 or 15 and then I made enough posts in the main forums to get over 100 within a month. And I made a point of trying to make worthwhile posts, there weren't any thanks for the share posts. Anyone that really wants to participate in the forum can do the same, it isn't that hard. I'm sure jbtalk2me won't have any problems now that he knows which forums he needs to start posting in.
     
  17. outsidethesquare

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    Why does he need access to his own thread? I saw the thread and there is nothing that can be posted in there that he needs access to. He knows his own method.

    I've had a thread of mine moved to Jr.VIP as well but that doesn't mean that it's the end of the world or that it isn't worth sharing.

    It simply ensures that rather than get shitloads of 'rep' and 'thanks' from people I don't know and have my method saturated by this forum, that it is moved to a place where it can benefit people for longer without becoming useless.

    By moving it to Jr.VIP it is ensured that the contribution actually remains a contribution not just a redundant thread with a nonworking method.
     
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  18. e-hustler

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    He should still have access regardless. What if he needs to make updates answer questions? He wrote it he deserves access. If it was me I rather it get deleted then have rep. Not saying give him Jr vip for free... I am saying give him access to what he wrote.
     
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  19. madblkhatter

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    Wow, your information was JrVIP worthy??

    This means you are JrVIP but not appreciated
     
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    The biggest problem with not allowing him to see his own content is, that he can not reply to any questions that may arise.
     
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