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Do you want to win in the IM game?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by BassTrackerBoats, Jun 8, 2011.

  1. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Do you want to win in the IM game?

    Seriously, do you want to make a living in this industry or do you just enjoy the game?Nothing wrong if you are just into it for the thrill... the excitement... to learn new things because you find that interesting...

    BUT...

    if you want to win, if you want to make money, if you want to cash in on the time you spend in front of your laptop, you need to do one thing for sure and that is:

    Outwork the other guy!


    The other guy turns on his computer, reads his email, goes to his facebook, clicks on some of his favorites and blows a couple of hours a day.

    He may spend some time backlinking his sites, doing a SB blast, updating some content on his site and his total work effort is a whopping 4 hours a day mixed in with his PMing buddies, chatting on skype/msn/yahoo.etc...

    Nothing wrong with that if this is a hobby or if you don't need to bank.

    If you want to make decent cash, have money for nice things, have money in the bank for a rainy day or just like to have money period, you need to OUTWORK THE OTHER GUY.

    I can guarantee you that I am much less savvy when it comes to internet marketing, much less technical when it comes to html, EXTREMELY much less knowledgeable when it comes to coding but I can also guarantee you that 95% of you can't out work me.

    Internet marketing is a business and if you are in it you should treat it as such and in a business you have competition. You can either let the competition win or you can beat the competition... I chose the latter.

    I can't beat the competition with my brains; I know that and anyone that knows me knows that, but I can out work him/her.

    I can get up earlier, work harder and stay later.

    I can read more, try more methods, examine more software to make my sites ranks, experiment more than the other guy and those kinds of things make a huge difference when you are making a living, whether online or in a brick and mortar situation.

    So if you are not making a decent buck in this industry and you are spending time on the "leisure" sites, stop being a slacker and try and out work the other guy... heck, try and keep up my pace of work... I'm a solid 12 - 14 hours a day working and I'm neither as young as most of you nor am I as in as good shape as most of you.

    Get off your backside and get rocking and you'll see that the IM industry is not just a way to make a few bucks, it's a way to make a whole boat load of cash.




     
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  2. keadams26

    keadams26 Regular Member

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    I agree completely! You can outwork the other guy or just go work FOR the other guy. It's ultimately up to you.
     
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  3. Autumn

    Autumn Elite Member

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    Great post.

    "The harder I work, the luckier I get" - Samuel Goldwyn
     
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    ooh bass thread *happy little kid dance* :D
     
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    I find myself working way more then any possible day job...
     
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  6. BassTrackerBoats

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    Which is how any businessman should.

    Way to go!
     
  7. soyafan

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    A stark reminder for those who are still thinking they can make $xx,xxx monthly by clicking few buttons.
     
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    Nice post. Moral of the story: just do it
     
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  9. ibira

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    The thing is that in the business world, your work is never done. Got to $500/day? Get to $1k. Did it? Aim for $2k. You have no barriers, and you're paid over performance.

    This is how I work: Every night before going to bed, I write down everything I want to do in the next day. I generally don't go to sleep the next day until I got the list done.

    Also, when I'm not working on the computer, I'm doing something away from it. It makes for a healthier lifestyle, and it helps to keep you focused when you're sitting on the computer, because your only purpose is to get things done.

    "You can do it! It has been done before!" is what I think... This will help you out a lot.
     
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  10. KraftyKyle

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    Thanks OP for the motivation. I needed it!
     
  11. m0nster

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    the reason I love this business is because of bhw, and it being limitless. the only thing holding you back is yourself. you take full responsibility. you take a risk. you feel the wind of freedom under your arms. but at the same time you have to keep your balance or its just not worth it........
    a quote i like:

    So many people spend their health gaining wealth, and then have to spend their wealth to regain their health.

    be safe and enjoy life. i work at this so hard and put money ahead of everything so i can have residual income and not HAVE to put money in front of everything here soon.......best of luck to everyone
     
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    I love your stuff BassTrackers and think highly of you, but how do you get work done when you're on this forum all the time? heh
     
  13. Kogga

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    Nice post BassTrackerBoats.

    Hard, but also efficient working. Creative, but also sensible ideas. They seem to work well together :)
     
  14. Ramsweb

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    IM and my article writing work takes up a lot of dedicated time. I usually have to concentrate much harder when I am working for myself. When I used to work in a company 2 years ago...I probably only "really worked" for about 5 hours in a 8 hour workday. With IM, you will generally have to work sincerely for at least 7 of the 8 hours that you put in.

    IM takes a lot of hard work and persistence. Another thing that I would suggest for IM'ers is that they should not keep jumping from idea to idea. I have wasted a lot of hours doing that. Now, I pick a few good ideas and give it my best shot and wait for a success or failure before moving on to the next idea. It produces much better results.
     
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    Hard Work = Money

    Me & Money = :smlove2:

    I actually stumbled upon internet marketing looking for jobs, of course somehow, someway I ended up on a landing page for some how to make money online product.

    Go figure:rolleyes:

    Long story short affiliate marketing captured my interest and I have made quite a few bones with that model since then. It isn't my main focus anymore but everybody has to start somewhere in this biz.

    I could bore you with all the details of how I:

    - spent countless hours in front of my monitor after working a full 8-10 hour shift everyday

    - alienated myself from friends and family

    - got told how I was falling in to one of those scams you hear about on the news

    Once you make the decision that you don't want to end up like that 60 year old dude or dudette barely surviving on social security when they retire, living in a shitty home and driving a shitty car, all because they took the same route millions of others have by working for someone else their whole life.

    Not saying they didn't work hard or they are bad people, I just know what it's like to grow up broke and barely scraping by. We need those people, they do things that make our economy thrive.

    BTB is spot on.

    You will become very wealthy in this world if you just go above and beyond what the other guy does. Put in those sleepless nights, countless days and weeks of learning new traffic strategies and seo methods, and then you will start seeing the fruits of your labor.

    Focus-->implement-->achieve-->profit-->repeat

    Don't get discouraged easily, it is a common rule in business that you learn from your mistakes. Use those lessons and never quit until your thirst for money is quenched.

    Don't forget to at least take a day off to clear your head every once in a while, stress is never healthy and you will get burnt out if you don't take a breather every now and then.


    Just be careful though because once you turn on the success switch you might have fatter pockets then you know what to do with....LOL
     
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    BTB, I have no idea how you are not Exec??? Really enjoy all of your post and thanks for all of the useful info!
     
  18. madoctopus

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    I really don't agree. It is best to start learning stuff. The earlier the better. For me not having coding skills as a SEO is equivalent to not having legs in a marathon. You end up using commercial software which is shit instead of building your own software that is 1000 times better even if it is a 1 hour script, simply because it is exactly as u want it. Not to mention the problem solving capability you get. Add to that some hacking mindset (in my case kinda little) and you have the formidable capacity to see what others don't see and to do what they can't even imagine.

    Having knowledge (in my case coding) can allow you to build in several months automation systems that make the impossible possible. If I ask a regular IM how do you create 40,000 posts of relatively unique content that reads OK, he would say it is impossible because it is not cost effective. With coding skills I created just that. It did took months, but it is done and awesome.

    Not to mention a lot of other nifty things.
     
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    Outsource and pay people to outwork the other guy.
     
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  20. Monrox

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    Also there is the principle of diminishing returns. In any business there is a point from where on doing more starts to earn you less.

    An IM example is chasing serp positions. If getting from number 500 to number 5 requires 20 hours initially, an hour monthly afterwards and earns 200, and getting from position 5 to 1 requires 200 hours, 10 hours monthly afterwards and earns 1000, there is no actual growth in the latter case.

    So yeah, BassTrackerBoats is right; just do it smartly and don't waste your time on 'lost causes'. Otherwise you become like the poor souls who work tirelessly their whole life and then just die without ever achieving anything monetary significant.

    BTW, this is why I turned to software automation. Being able to ride some freelancer with 5 kids to exhaustion just because he has to put food on the table really made me feel like crap so I am not appointing any $5 / hour jobs anymore.
     
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