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Do you think writers are paid well in the present times?

Discussion in 'Associated Content & Writing Articles' started by peerless2acme, Jul 27, 2011.

  1. peerless2acme

    peerless2acme BANNED BANNED

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    Every now and then we come across people who post on forums or other places " HIGH QUALITY WRITERS WANTED-PAY-$2-$3 per 500 words". Please don't say, you get paid well in case you are getting $1/100, as you get that only if you have impeccable quality and you are ready to spend hours on a single article. What do you people think? Are we really underpaid? If yes, then what are the steps we can take to get rid of this situation?

    Suggestions and personal opinions are welcome.
     
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    The author of Harry Potter is a billionaire now...

    Writers that get picked up by publishers can do ok. The rest...not so much. Self-publishing is pretty much considered a joke in the industry because the only way to get a lot of exposure is through a publisher that can make deals with bookstores.

    If you are taking about IM writers, they have an uphill battle too. I think it can lead to a consistent income, but it takes a lot of energy to write well and you'll likely just get paid enough to scrap by.

    If you can write well, market yourself as that and hope people appreciate it. You aren't going to compete on the low end with people in other countries and can live off $20/day and spit out tons of crummy articles. You can tell a writer is writing fluff when there's a question in the first few sentences.
     
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    Some people are aware that quality comes at a price, but others figure that because someone else will do the same job for far less they will usually go with the cheaper option. No matter what the quality is like.
     
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    I agree with you. I rarely see a client hungry for pinnacle level quality. Its pathetic to see that some people undermine the quality aspect of the content writing and go for reasonable or cheaper rates.
     
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    Your suggestion is praiseworthy but don't you think that being recognized by publishers is a mountainous task. I am talking about you and I ( just another writer) who may have great quality but lack exposure.
     
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    My lifelong dream, for as far back as I could remember, is to sit back and write. Day in and day out. I doubt that I could get me a heck of alot of money doing so but my guess is as much as anyone : You get what you give, folks. You give alot, you get alot. It's that simple. For me right now, I want a gig in which I could just write for $1 per 100 words. And then move up to ebooks and websites and then move on the physical books that would sell. Now all I have to do is unlock my darned paypal account and roll up me sleaves, get pumped up on coffee and get to work!!
     
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    LOL :)...you seem to be an ambiguous guy. But don't you perceive that even that $1 per 100 words is less, if you are having flawless writing skills.
     
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    People with flawless native writing skills do tend to get paid more than $1 per 100 words. Personally if I'm being paid 1$ per 100 words I wont spend longer than 20 minutes writing the article. I'll only accept that little payment on a subject where it is easy for me to find seed articles to manually respin.
     
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    Yes writers do aggree that writers are not well paid well ..........writers have no value these days ...:)
     
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    It's just a case of positioning yourself correctly. People on IM forums tend not to pay well so look elsewhere.

    I used to do some writing a few years ago and would get $50-100 per 500 words. There are plenty of people willing to pay for good writers.
     
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    Still a lot of money to make if you write tutorials - seen $350 for a single tutorial - worth considering.
     
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    Indians getting $1 per 100W are making a fortune in local terms and aren't working in the Indy heat in a kitchen for $9 per day, but in terms of market price they are underpaid; on the other hand, I have yet to see an Indian writer who can write fluent, sales oriented articles that leads to conversion. I've hired 100+ writers in the past few years and that applies to the Philippines and other 3rd world regions as-well.

    If they were to quote their articles anything close to native speakers, they will not have any work since people will hire American and British people for articles which are paid the $10-30 per 500W.

    It's all about reference. When I pay for German content I pay a whole lot more, it's in demand and the number of people willing to do the job or even can is significantly lower.
     
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    So, you mean to say, its all about demand and supply chain. Since labor is available in abundance in Philippines, India and other similar countries, so rates provided to them is low but what about native writers. Do you think, they are being paid on the par to their quality. The money got by writers only solves the purpose of electricity payment. There is a feeling of constant insecurity. The writing world seems enticing to the person who looks front of the screen but what goes behind the screen is not known by him.
     
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    Insecurity applies in everything in business and writing articles is INDEED a business whether you are a $3 writer or a $30 writer.

    I've had a $118x3 times a month regular SEO client who dumped me because he found fiverr one day. Will he get the same quality? -Never, not a chance.
    But he still went for the cheaper and it surely applies to article writing - People look for affordable (Deadly low cost) writers.

    On the other hand, serious websites need serious professional writers. There are poker portals that pay anonymous poker players thousands for content, because they can write professional articles like no other writer can write.
    Google "Online Poker" and read the articles in the leading portals (Pokerlistings, Launchpoker, etc.) - You will see that these were written by professionals. No regular writer (American or whatever) can produce such content. It ain't a "3 strategies to win in poker" kinda BS articles but very specific articles, news etc. from people who breath the industry.

    Would you pay $30 to a native speaker who says "I write on any topic" or a writer who says "I've been playing poker for 7 years in Pokerstars, TitanPoker and Pacific, I've won 2 tournaments and a rakeback tutor on twoplustwo.com for the past 7 months"?

    So if you choose a sector - Pick a professional one which has money and stick there. That's the best tip I can give you.
    When I see the "Native speaker for hire - ANY TOPIC!" threads - I instantly look for something else.


     
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    Interesting insights, Bross. Another thing to think about...

    There are a lot of people that are looking for quality writing in the freelance sites; and not just articles.

    I did a website review for one guy that paid really well to review his website and give a few alternate ideas on how he could monetize his site.

    What I thought was pretty basic knowledge was a complete eye opener for him; and he couldn't thank me enough.

    The skills most BHatters have we take for granted becuase we are always looking at it from our angle; but there are a lot of regular website owners that don't have the specilized knowledge we pick up along the way.

    Take advantage of that; these owners will pay fairly well if you can share your specialization with them.

    It's not just articles; though that can be bread and butter.

    But to get some higher paying gigs, think outside the box. There are a lot of people that will pay well for your online experience that they don't have.
     
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    @Bross I am pleased to get your perspective on this. Expertise and practical knowledge is always a plus, there is no doubt on this notion.
     
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    Thanks for all your comments but how does a good writer in the 3rd world go about getting better writing jobs? Most of the sites that pay decent money have a country restriction.
     
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    Yap I think so.Every one like talent.If you are talented writer. then i promise to you You can earn a good salary.There are many good writer working on freelancing and they are paid by hand some good cash.
     
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    Sorry to burst everyone's bubble but there are literally more lotto winners than authors who have gotten rich from writing a published book. The publishing industry is in a shambles due to digital convergence and here are some of the hard, cold facts:

    1. The average published author with the backing of a publisher is lucky to sell 2,000 copies of any given release.

    2. The average self-published author is lucky to sell is a 150 copies, that consisting mostly of friends and family.

    3. Advances are now almost non-existent and you are lucky to get $5K!

    4. Last year close to 300,000 unique books were published by traditional book publishers. That numbers is dwarfed by the number of books published by self-published, print on demand "POD" and ebooks that totaled 2.7 million titles last year.

    5. Unfortunately, the average number of books read by voracious readers actually declined slightly last year no doubt due to a sluggish economy.

    More people than ever are writing globally which is great but we all know from our microeconomics classes what over supply does to pricing! This is a global challenge for all writers!

    Check out Michael Allen's rather somber tome "The Truth about Writing" if you don't believe me. Is there an answer? Well, that's what I am doing as a marketer looking for solutions in niche marketing!
     
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    No, especially if they're based in the US/UK/CAN/AUS/NZ. At $1/100 words, they'll be lucky to scrape $10 an hour (which is almost minimum wage in the UK e.g. it can be earned by working as a store clerk).

    If they're just someone fucking around to make a quick few bucks, $1/100 words isn't too bad, but if it's something they do full-time to make a living and bring things to the table that the average English native doesn't (e.g. a very extensive vocabulary), then no, the pay is extremely poor.