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Do you think it's possible to outrank this competitor PBN?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Nam Hai, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. Nam Hai

    Nam Hai Junior Member

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    Hello I found a nice KW that I would go for it but the guy on position 1 actually scare me...
    This guy actually have a badass PBN... 25 domains all of them DA 30-40... He do not block bots so I can see all of them...
    The good news is that this guy actually link multiple money sites (from 4 to 8 on each domains) on his PBN... so each money sites should get less juice right?

    Do you think it's possible to outrank this guy if I can't allow myself to buy domains strong like that?
     
  2. danparks

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    I don't have an answer for you, but I do need to say this really kills me.

    I've seen it in a niche I'm involved in. The first page Google results is full of sites that use very obvious, easily discovered, very crappy PBNs (I'm talking one and two page PBN sites that link out to 4, 5, 10 money sites, using exact match keyword anchor text, from the home page).

    With all the talk of Google going after PBNs, and getting good at it, they've really left a lot on the table when some niches can be dominated by shitty PBNs.

    Okay, sorry about that. I'm done ranting.


     
  3. bartosimpsonio

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    Why don't you do the same as that competitor?
     
  4. danparks

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    I know that was directed at OP, not me, but I'll say that I've thought about that myself. Fight fire with fire, so to speak.

    The problem in my situation is that I'm doing SEO for other people - not my own sites. So I'm hesitant to just start tossing out many, many crappy PBN backlinks to a client site. It might work in the niche I'm in (it seems to work for others), but I'm too afraid of the next algorithm update that might (finally) punish all the sites that were getting away with the bad PBN links. And then I've ruined a client's site for good.

    I'll add that I have nothing against PBNs - it's what I rely on myself. I've just been foolish enough to be spending time and money on making my PBNs look natural, have a good backlink profiles, be topic-relevant, etc.


     
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    How would a search engine tell a normal site from a PBN site? Heck don't you see even the big media sites have link sellers? I've seen some PBN sites that actually provide value LOL! Why would that site be banned at all?

    Just don't make the PBN look like a geocities page with 200 links and spinning things. If you do it right, a PBN is just a bunch of normal sites. Some even have good content.
     
  6. danparks

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    What about a one page website that links out to a half dozen sites, using the same exact anchor text (as in a half dozen links to other sites, all with the same "best blue widgets" anchor text)? Would it be really, really hard for an algorithm to give links from that site no value? That's the kind of PBN I'm talking about that is ranking sites.


    Well that's exactly what I was talking about in my previous post. I've got hundreds of sites distributed between several of my PBNs. Correct, if done right, there isn't really much of a difference between a PBN site and a "normal" or "real" site.

    My whole point was that in my niche, PBNs that don't at all look "normal" are ranking sites. Just seems like shear volume of links matters in this case. Not quality over quantity. Almost like a throwback to 5, 6 years ago when volume of backlinks seemed the most important ranking factor.
     
  7. bartosimpsonio

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    There's always been tons of successful spam, and it's still possible to rank without following any of the BS put out by the usual mouthpieces. I see what you mean, I see sites ranking with link blasts. Ain't that great?