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Do You Think Google Dog Is Sniffing Your Email? Well I do.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by BlackhatBigfoot, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. BlackhatBigfoot

    BlackhatBigfoot Regular Member

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    We all know that SEO can be hard work so don't make the mistake I did. When I first joined BHW I used my gmail address to sign up. That I know was really stupid but what was more stupid was when I opted to have new replies to BHW subscribed threads emailed to me. I had all but forgotten that I'd signed up at BHW with my gmail so when I checked that account after a long while, of course I saw tons of emails from this site

    A lot of you may think that Google plays by the rules but how do you know that? How do you explain an entity that wants to know the color of the mole on your rear end, but is not willing to share anything about itself. When I saw all those emails I knew that Google was privy to my bl_ck ha_ association with this site.

    Now if Google (and Yahoo too for that matter) can scan your mail for spam, it must be applying filters to do that. Do you think that Google isn't using filters that gather info on anything linked to BH methods.

    They don't have to read your mail to do this. All they have to do is sniff your subject title and the sender's address, which they already do with their spam filter. It's a simple thing for google to cross-reference info gotten this way with whether or not you own a site. After that it's only a matter of time before you have un-explainable troubles with your backlinks and be penalized for something, anything. It's almost understandable why they don't give reasons for what they do.

    I guess most people won't be as noobish as i was when I first joined BHW. I assumed that my mail was secure but that is not the case. Even if it is https, it is plainly visible on G's servers. Don't assume that google is above-board in its dealings with the public. It is staffed by people, and people do under-handed stuff. I think SEO efforts will suffer so long as Google can learn anything it wants about you anytime it wants, and identify you and any sites you own as BH.

    The least you can do to protect "your secrets" is to never use gmail for anything but an adsense account cos that's google's peep hole into your business. I believe that I've had more than my fair share of trouble from Google for this exact reason.
     
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    nathanbelomy Newbie

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    Paranoid? It would be illegal for Google to check your email, to read it. But that doesn't mean some security expert, working for Google might intercept your email, or someone says a site is spam, email is spam, etc. I see Black Hat SEO as a line. Grey is where you want to be, playing constantly and stupidly in Black territory, you know the risks with all Black in America right man; Black means Death here.
     
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    It would be an unreliable signal. I guarantee that there are white hat practitioners that monitor this site. Even if it's just to get an early warning on what Google is cracking down on next.

    An expert should know both sides of the equation.
     
  4. Patel

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    Google can legally read your emails, because the email accounts are owned by Google and not you.

    Hence, @gmail.com

    They own it, you use it.
     
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  5. BlackhatBigfoot

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    It may be illegal for Google to read your mail but it's not illegal for them to check the subject and sender address. This is exactly what they do to check for spam.

    Now instead of using red flag words like "viagra" in their filter, they use "linkwheels," or "blackhat" or "blast" or any number of words that may have a BH connection.

    Over time data can be collected on people and cross-referenced with website ownership. At a certain point a determination is made whether your site(s) is leaning BH. This doesn't seem to be illegal and it is in google's interest to combat BH activities. But even if it is illegal, I still think they do it routinely
     
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    I agree that it would be a difficult scraping variable to control. How does G know that these blackhat methods are in fact being used? And there's a lot on these forums that have nothing to do with SEO. It's not so much the smoking gun to be associated with these forums. Any deeper analysis would be an unreasonable undertaking.
     
  7. BlackhatBigfoot

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    And Google is monitoring this site as well as our email, to find out what they ought to crack down on.
     
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    what use would that be? who would verify it? how would you calculate an algo, google have phds not AI robots from some distant galaxy from the year 2345 ffs
     
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  9. BlackhatBigfoot

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    Well in my case I actually had emails coming to my gmail account with the titles of many of the threads here. Looking back on it, and my efforts to delete them, it seemed like my email address would pop up #1 for blackhat suspicion. The same email address has five sites to its credit in Webmaster Tools.

    My manual bookmarking(white hat) links have never been indexed to my knowledge though I have pinged and rss'd like crazy, and when I got a blast from someone here with Xrumer, the links quickly disappeared after only one month. Nothing I do seems to make any difference. This all began to happen as my gmail emails from BHW began to pile up on G's server.

    I'm convinced they surrepticiously check email subject and sender address against a blackhat filter. They have the capacity to do it, and a reason, and an excuse.
     
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    You can't do this in Europe. If they are scanning and using the data they should fucking tell us about it. It's against personal privacy. The problem is with GOogle is they don't seem to be accountable...
     
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    We ll..few months ago I've posted something like this and nobody said nothing... But one of my websites was deindexed and got something like a page 5 penalty for a couple of months after I got the reports of the links on the gmail account.
    From then..I use GmX.com for reports and other IM stuff.

    Better safe than sorry..

    I m not an expert, or my opinion may be not 100% correct but we all know that he is ready to do anything to keep "the people like us" away.
    Don't tell me that u never think about this scenario before you just read this thread...
     
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    This is exactly why I stopped using email, a browser and a computer all together. Someone is always watching. Heck, I don't make phone calls or texts either. All my IM is done in person.
     
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  13. BlackhatBigfoot

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    Granted, you guys have more experience than me, and wouldn't at this point make the kind of noobish mistakes I made...and you probably never had any BH correspondence come to the gmail address with which you registered any site, and if that's the case, you don't trust Google with your mail anymore than I do.

    If G can calculate an algo to remove spam, they can do one to flag email users with plenty of BH subjects in their inbox. If there is a website registered under that gmail, how convenient for Google.

    As far as verification is concerned, they don't need it if they don't tell you what they have found. When Google disregards whitehat links, does it verify anything except its own opinion of those links. They can do the same by putting website owner's gmail addresses through a BH filter and if found to be suspicious, disregard links the his site that otherwise might not have been questionable.

    I also hear that there is something called TrustRank that Google uses to tip the scale in a site's favor one way or the other.
     
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    this sounds scary...
     
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    The other thing to keep in mind is what information you provide on Google Docs. My good friend, who is also doing IM, had an entire spreadsheet of data he used to track a bunch of Google Places sites he was doing blackhat techniques on. After a few months of using G Docs the whole account got shut down and his spreadsheet taken.

    He had a backup that he imported to another online spreadsheet program, but the fact stands that someone noticed what he was doing and stopped it. My rule: don't tell G more than it already knows when it comes to your IM efforts...
     
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    That sounds like really hard work.
     
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    getting link reports has convinced me it's dangerous... i need to transfer all my emails to something non-gmail.... but jesus christ is that a hassle. obviously i can't just forward emails... >_<
     
  18. BlackhatBigfoot

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    I admit that I'm not a very trusting soul in the first place but I just can't fathom all this info being available to Google and some backoffice team not secretly using it to the hilt. My whole point is to say "separate Google from your private communications."

    You'll have a better web experience as a result.
     
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    yes in your email you will see an ads those ads will be depend on your email content words, so they read everything and also they can see what ever you are doing, when u install there software's or any product using