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Do You Pay For Your Articles? Spun or Not? How Good is the Quality? Cost per Article?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by volkovm1, Dec 7, 2011.

  1. volkovm1

    volkovm1 Newbie

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    I have been writing my own original and unique content and spinning it but it is starting to get old really fast. I'd like to outsource some of it if possible but worried about quality/cost, etc. So with this in mind I'd like to see how some of you approach this part of you SEO:

    If you write your own content:

    1. Do you spin your articles?
    2. If you spin your articles, do you spin the paragraphs, sentences, and words?
    3. How many unique spun articles do you get out of this?
    4. How many words per article?

    If you purchase your articles:

    1. How much do you normally pay per article?
    2. Do the articles come spun?
    3. Are the articles spun on a paragraph, sentence and word levels?
    4. What is the general quality of the articles? (would you put them on your own money sites?)

    All input is greatly appreciated
     
  2. Nosence

    Nosence Senior Member

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    Generally I don't like spun articles personally, I have found that spun articles are a lot lower in quality,

    If you find a good writer you should be able to use them on your site without an issue. Most articles are around $1 per 100 words
     
  3. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Um... lol
    I'm willing to bet that my "spun" articles (which can generate an infinite amount of indexable articles from each spintax, thanks to the 15 sentence replacements per sentence), are a hell of a lot better than these "unique" articles grammatically and by english syntax standards.

    I've paid for articles from "writers" before, and that crap would almost never even be accepted at ezine... my spun articles? yeah, can usually get at least 10 approved there.
    Good luck finding someone working at $1/100 words that passed 11th grade english.
     
  4. grantrux

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    There are various different spinners out there such TheBestSpinner that come with databases of synonyms that can be automatically spun into your article. However, depending what you plan on using the articles for.

    Auto spinning sticks out like a sore thumb and is best kept for secondary or tertiary level links.

    For a 500 word blog post I would normally hand spin a complete variation of at least one paragraph and 4 or 5 sentences. Then go through all the words and select only the synonyms that make sense.

    This usually gives produces very natural looking articles that are between 45 and 55% unique.

    I have never paid someone to do this but think it would be worth at least $20?

    What does everyone else think?
     
  5. elvis1973

    elvis1973 Power Member

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    How long would something like that take you? for say a 500 WA
     
  6. Nosence

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    I have never had any luck with spun articles, I will definitely be checking out your spun articles then, that would be awesome to be able to get that many acceptances through ezine for 1 article.

    I have also found a lot of great article writers on this forum that work for that rate
     
  7. Expertpeon

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    3-4 hrs... if I do nothing else.
     
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    Thats quite a long time but I suppose if you are generating a huge amount of articles from that effort then it makes sense, do that on a monday morning and youve got all your articles for the week ahead.
     
  9. Expertpeon

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    I run 5k-10k web 2.0s (with videos or images) at once and 10-20 million links on top of it (various types) so yes, it goes a long way.
    I usually do 3 articles like that a week... or rather I'm ramping up to this level now. I try to limit 1 article's exposure to 10,000 HQ links or so...
     
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  10. grantrux

    grantrux Power Member

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    That is a lot of links. Is that all for your own sites? Do you offer a service or services on here?
     
  11. Expertpeon

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    My own sites, yes, at present.
    I don't think I'll be offering such a service anytime soon...
    1) I don't need what meager amount of money you would get from SEO services
    2) I'm extremely busy with my own work.
     
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    Can somebody recommend good writer services?
     
  13. volkovm1

    volkovm1 Newbie

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    Hi Expertpeon,

    I've seen your replies in the SEO Blueprint thread and know that your methods work. So if you can share the process you go through to spin your articles, it would be very helpful. Maybe you can offer some pointers, this is my process right now:

    1) I write an original 500 word article.
    2) I go through the article and spin each paragraph ( so there are two versions of each paragraph).
    3) I spin every sentence in the article and create two sentence versions.
    4) I use the "replace everyones favorites" function in The Best Spinner and only spin the "best" synonyms and only two synonyms per word.
    5) I go through the entire article and make sure all the synonyms make sense


    This process takes me around 2-3 hours. I use The Best Spinner for the process and then 1st submit the article to manual web2.0 sites and then the ones supported in SENukeX. Then I submit the same spun article to AMR to link back to the web2.0 properties (I get around 200 live links through AMR per run). I am always targeting one keyword in the article.

    Do you think this would provide enough "unique" article variations? Should I spin more paragraph/sentence/synonym variations? Anything I'm missing?
     
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  14. Expertpeon

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    I've explained my methods at length before.
    Also explained why paragraph spinning is a waste of time...


     
  15. jon_xx_x

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    I have an American writer who writes 500 word articles for me for $4. I am happy with the quality vs cost, though I wouldn't use them for my money site. However, my money site is somewhat science related and is often articles that need to be researched. That being said, I think this would pass grade 11 english. Here is an example:

    Acne Treatment

    Acne can be a problem for many people, including youth and adults. It can be embarrassing, painful, and even leave behind scars. Taking action with various forms of acne treatment can help you to have skin that is blemish free.

    Identify the Need

    Before you select any acne treatment, you need to identify the problem. Some people have oily skin and that can result in acne. Others have dry skin or combination skin. If you are going to use various products, you have to be able to identity what type of skin you have. Otherwise, you may end up with the wrong product.

    If the acne has started recently, you should try to identify any triggers in your lifestyle that could result in it. For example, if you just started exercising frequently, the sweat could be causing the acne. Then you can use a sweat band to keep it off your face. If you have recently started taking any medications, they could be the cause of the acne so talk to your doctor.

    Home Remedies

    There are many home remedies that work for acne treatment. You may want to consider some of them to help clear up your face. They can help to open up pores, remove dead skin, and remove excess oil. The internet is a great place to find home remedies for acne treatment. Find one that can work for the symptoms you are experiencing. For example if you have dry skin, an avocado mask could help.

    Over the Counter Products

    With home remedies, you don?t have any harsh chemicals or side effects to worry about. When you purchase over the counter products for acne treatment, you will find that some of them have chemicals that case further problems for you. The chemicals could create more acne or even other skin problems for you such as dryness and flaking.

    There are some very good over the counter products for acne treatment though. Take the time to identify the active ingredients in them. If you don?t know the terms, take the time to find out. Keep in mind that marketing strategies are designed to get you to buy products. Go beyond them to read reviews from consumers to see what results they have had with a given over the counter product for their acne.

    Professional Care

    Sometimes, in spite of your best efforts, you will find that you aren?t able to take care of your acne. If it continues to be difficult for you to control even with changes to your habits, home remedies, and over the counter products it may be time for you to seek professional care.

    Your doctor can help you to evaluate the acne situation. They may refer you to see a specialist called a Dermatologist. They specialize in all types of concerns with the skin including acne. They can assess your acne situation and help you to find the right treatment for it.

    Such treatments may include microabrasion which is a procedure to remove layers of skin and to stimulate new skin to be healthier. The use of lasers may also be used as a treatment for acne to reduce redness and signs of scarring.
     
  16. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    No offense, but yes, I think this proves my point well.
    This article's grammar, flow and syntax is barely out of high school. Also, though I didn't read the whole thing, I noticed at least one spelling mistake.



     
  17. jon_xx_x

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    What's the spelling mistake? Just curious.
    I think 99% of people would be happy with that article for $4.

    I'm still trying to figure out if you just talk out your ass, or if you actually make money. And I admit, you're really good at which ever one it is.
     
  18. Expertpeon

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    "When you purchase over the counter products for acne treatment, you will find that some of them have chemicals that case further problems for you."

    It's totally innocuous to me if you think I "talk out of my ass"
    I try to help people here... (and continue to learn myself!)
    Yes, the revenue I make is very, very good and only gets better as time passes. Eventually I might make a self masturbatory post about it, but that won't be for a good 6 months when I retire and settle down overseas.

    I had my friend, who graduated from harvard a few years ago, write me 40 articles in some of the niches I'm targeting so I could spin them. Wish I could post a sample of it, but yeah I spent roughly $5/article on those... and it's almost ridiculous how much better they read.
    Anyway spent way too much time on BHW today, I really need to get back to work.
     
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  19. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Well not everyone has a Harvard writer that is stupid enough to write articles for $5 per article. So for $4, for a site that isn't used on my money site, I think it's pretty good. I'll pay $4 for that, over some spun article you can't even read. It takes a good 20-30mins to write a decent article if you know what you are talking about. For one that needs to be researched, I would say close to an hour.

    I just find it amazing you say you make five figures a day, and how mention 5-10 thousand web2.0 properties, and millions of links. It's great that you help, but if those numbers are true, I'd like some advice at how to put up those kind of numbers, and not basic SEO I've seen you offer.
     
  20. paulpapapump

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    lets keep it clean fellas. We're all here to help each other and not bust anyones balls.