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Do you build new links to your PBN's?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ForTheWin123, May 3, 2015.

  1. ForTheWin123

    ForTheWin123 Regular Member

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    Do you build new links to your PBN's, if yes do you build them on the root domain? And also what kind of links?
     
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    I don't use this anymore.
     
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    What you need to do is build your new links into the form of a sphere, encapsulating your PBN. Only then will your PBN go unseen by the Almighty G. It will look just like all the other random link balls floating through internet-space.
     
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    I do not use PBN but I ordered one is of my root domain and yes it gives me positive serp.
     
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    There's not much point. PBN sites should have good links already, and you don't want to spam them with poor links.
     
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    I am not using PBN sorry
     
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    I never did before, the whole reason of using the expired domains is their existing backlink profiles.

    But I've been noticing the PBN links are taking longer to take effect and seem to be having less of an effect of late. One thing I've been considering experimenting with on a few is setting up social accounts - linking to the PBN from there and then building links to the social pages.
     
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    If you want to magnify or compound the power of your PBN sites, rather than adding links, one can simply add mountains of quality content on a regular basis.

    Yeah, the old 'content is king' might not necessarily help a site rank of its own accord, but it certainly adds authority to a site as a backlink source.
     
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    Although lacking in evidence, it makes a lot of sense to me that if repurposing a PBN's theme entirely, building relevant (contained in related content) backlinks with newly relevant anchor text would help to increase ranking effectiveness.

    It's something I'm looking into but I believe the links wouldn't have to be authoritative but simply niche relevant, for example from a web 2.0 site. Not only would this approach take your PBN out of 'the last link built to it was in 2008' zone, if that is the case but it would also make the new content relevant.

    @ Tony_d: That's interesting, I know ranking effectiveness is hard to quantify but how dramatic is the effect your seeing after bulking out you PBN sites? Is there a particular content threshold that you aim for?
     
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    We're only just starting to play with this now, so it's too early for me to declare a position on this.

    I draw most of my confidence from the way that authority sites behave. Go have a look at BassTrackerBoats journey thread here about building his (presumably 250th) authority site - and the degree of power that comes from massive content is undeniable.

    When I have properly backed results to share, I will.

    For now, we have two brand new money sites, both on virgin domains, competing for the same keyword - one site is being powered by the traditional PBN that we've always built, and the other is getting links from PBN sites that are >100k topical words, and growing each week.
    Both PBN's are built from domains that meet the same criteria. The content is hand-written, reasonably good quality.

    Early anecdotal evidence supports the 'content is referrer power' theory - the site powered by the authority PBN is at 22, the other is bouncing around mid 30's. Will add some crappy diversity links to both of them, and see how they behave.
     
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    Very relevant answers. Enjoy your time on BHW while it lasts.
     
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    I don't build any new links to my PBN domains, I just get more domains. The whole idea behind that is - those domains have links I couldn't get (or ones that would be more expensive to get). If I am building up domains from the ground up, I might as well start with fresh domains.

    tony_d's idea seems like something worth trying out. I know that if you get links from a website already ranking for some keywords, those links push you up in the SERPs. Adding more content would get the PBN domain ranking better (longtails etc) so it should make the links from that domain even more powerful.

    @tony_d: Are those PBN domains ranking for any long tails? If you have GWT on them (separate accounts ofc), maybe there will be a direct correlation between new content -> more GWT impressions/clicks -> main money site rank increases?
     
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    I take the position that although the PBN domains have good strong backlinks, those backlinks and the site's previous content are completely unrelated to the niche that I operate in. If then I can ensure that the number of new niche anchor text to that PBN site > Old niche backlink numbers, that can only mean good things in my mind. That would improve the relevancy of my PBN sites which has fresh relevant links from social (web 2.0) sites. Essentially I'm artificially creating a niche relevant PBN site (gold).

    Again, I really don't have data to support this so I'm aware it looks like a weak argument but it makes a lot of sense to me...what are your thoughts?
     
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    We regularly build links to our PBN. However, the amount depends on the niche and the target market. For high competitive KWs, we have special PBNs, those get a lot more attention and cost more to upkeep (meaning regular link building and rotation).
     
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    If the links you are building are links from sites in your niche, I guess that would work, but if they are whitehat authority niche links, why not just point them to the moneysite directly?

    It does make sense to make the PBN domains somewhat related if you link to them from general purpose sources (web2.0s and such), but I would recommend you also look into getting some niche related PBNs.
     
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    I've rarely seen whitehat authority links built to PBNs. If anything, high PR comments/social etc is usually the name of the game.
     
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    It really depends on the back links of my current PBN. If they have some power and they don't have a lot/good back links, I do some basic back linking. If some domains have great back link profile, then I don't do it at all.
     
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    Indeed, they are ranking for quite some number of terms - even to the extent that I think it would be worth putting some ads/amazon affiliate links on them. Some of the domains are getting 2k+ unique's a month - which in isolation is nothing, but if you look at the whole network together, there's actually a bunch of traffic coming through.
    Interestingly, though I guess unsurprisingly, because they're niche related, they are also quite a good traffic source for the money sites.

    After writing the above, I note that it's almost more accurate to say that I'm building authority sites and using them for link sources, rather than to say that I'm adding lots of content to my PBN's. In reality, they are mini authority sites.
     
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    No, focus on publishing relevant and good quality article everyday instead of building links to your PBN sites.. You will surely get to understand the power of content here.. You should try and keep the sites that you build for your network as generic as possible, so that they remain relevant, but not too niche that you can only ever use them once.

    Ideally you can structure your PBN site with sticky posts on the homepage (full text) so you get the benefit of an in content, in context link.​ Make sure to look like real sites. Normal sites don't just have five 500 word articles, they have a mix of stuff, so try and replicate this by not only varying the length of article that you are ordering, but buy publishing shorter posts yourself. Ask your writer for a 200 word article as well as an 800 word one.