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Do you always go for #1 on Google?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by and5rey, Jun 7, 2015.

  1. and5rey

    and5rey Regular Member

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    So you have found out a great keyword, have built an affiliate website and now are building links for it. I wonder if you always try to go for the #1 on Google? Or maybe you are fine with #2 or #3 and rather prefer to not mess up with the top guys? Maybe if you have a better eye-catching title and meta description of your website, you could get a pretty good CTR even if you are not ranked #1, am I right?

    I'm the person who is usually satisfied with the #2 or #3 ranking position, but maybe I could try to make it #1 even if I have to invest into link building quite a lot, but being #1 could pay it off pretty well. However, then it might become a battle with your top competitors and I'm afraid that they might do some negative SEO to my website in order to kick my site off. So because of this #2 or #3 position might be better.

    What do you guys think about this?
     
  2. YouTubez

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    If you're not first, you're last - Grant Cardone
     
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    Great quote!

    OP, in terms of Google ranking, there is a HUGE gap between positions. And you say you are going to stay "safe" in the 2nd or 3rd. But please, don't forget there will come more competitors, aiming for the 1st. And they could push you down really fast if your niche is profitable and you don't take measures:)

    Btw, you don't need to stay at #1 to get negative SEO or countermeasures. In fact, any leader can start a preemptive defense :)
     
  4. mickyfu

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    It depends on how much money the website is making at no2 and if I think it can take more of a push. Sometimes you can ruin a good thing and end up with nothing. If I am in this position, I tend to make another site and push that one harder.
     
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  5. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Don't settle for anything but #1.
     
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    It depends on your plan.

    Lets say you put up a website with not many pages targeting one product then yes you want to be #1

    Now if you have a website where your going after a bunch of long tail keyword then being in the top 5 should be good since you will have a ton of articles and doing SEO for all them will be hard.
     
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  7. Jack Torrance

    Jack Torrance Power Member

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    I'm definitely fine with position 2... If I see an extremely strong website optimized for my keyword and ranking position one when I'm position two, I'd rather spend the time building links to pages which are actually likely to improve. Why build 100 links to a page that isn't likely to budge or can only possibly improve a tiny bit more when I will spike my traffic massively by getting a different keyword from page 2 to page 1? Once a page makes it onto the first page is when you will experience the most drastic increases in traffic, much more than you will by moving up when you're already in the top 3.

    The first objective is to get all of my high traffic pages onto page one... Be it position 1 or position 10. Once they're on page one I will start focusing more on getting the pages to position 5, and then pushing them even further from there. I mix and match a bit with the pages I build links to depending on how I'm feeling that day. Oh and of course it's search volume dependent too. I would spend more time trying to improve a keyword with 12,100 searches from position 5 than I would trying to get a keyword with 320 monthly searches onto page one.
     
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  8. K.H.R

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    I am also satisfied but I always want to rank in #1.
     
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    In practical when i do a search and don't find my keyword in title then i would not prefer that site even if it ranks #1.But when it comes to SEO all want's to be there in the iron throne :D
     
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    ^^^^ What he said...
     
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  12. Mr Jack

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    Ofcourse. That's what SEO is for :)
     
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    We all have these skills and knowledge in SEO that we need not settle to be just #2 or #3. For all of us being #1 is a standard goal.
     
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  14. Earned Results

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    If you have a good content strategy and link building strategy, you will be #1 without thinking about it.

    If the bulk of your traffic comes from that #1 ranking, you're doing it wrong anyway.
    That's why a lot of the guys on here are #1 for months and then a new version of Penguin hits and they're gone forever.
     
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    yeah , and I keep building links till I reach the top
     
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  17. tony_d

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    It's a risk/reward question.

    If you put $2k into a site, and in top 3 it earns you $x,000/mth, don't mess with it - just go repeat the steps and build more sites.

    That said - if you're top 3, you can almost always take out number 1 by having a good CTR and low bounce rate.

    Google, above all else, wants to give users exactly what they're looking for, so if, relative to your SERP ranking, your site gets a higher CTR than another site from that same rank, and those users stay on your site, Google can safely assume the user has gotten what they were looking for.

    Never underestimate the power of helping Google achieve it's primary objective.
     
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  18. BreaknBrix

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    Ideally you want to rank #1 but like Tony said it's all about risk vs reward.

    I have a website right now that's killing it in G local. It ranks #1 for a lot of long tails. But it doesn't rank #1 for it's most competitive primaries. With that said, I don't really care. Because that listing has a staggering amount of reviews compared to anyone else in that 7 pack. The 2-3 sites above me don't have any reviews at all. Then there are a few below me that have 1/3 to 1/4 the amount of reviews I have. So I'm in just as good a position as being at #1. A couple years ago I use to rank #1 with exponentially less reviews, and my traffic was about the same it is now.

    What I really focus on more than anything is not #1 but "how can I stick out like a sore thumb"?

    A while back I was targeting a competitive commercial music keyword. It was all just websites on page 1. So I worked for 4 months to get a huge video thumbnail on page 1. Soon as that thumbnail passed position 5 I started breaking $100+ days. Then it got up to #2 and I started breaking $200 days. I kept pushing to get it #1 but it could not take out the #1 site. It quickly got to the point where I decided, "I'm better off where I am right now and moving to a new project than wasting xxx more weeks trying to rank this shit". So I moved on to rank more properties.

    At the end of the day, I would prefer to have 20-30 keywords ranking at #3-6 than 2-3 keywords at #1. Don't get me wrong, #1 rankings are great. If you can get lots of keywords at #1, that's awesome. But that takes a lot of work to get that #1 spot. And you're just 1 Google update away from losing all that hard work.

    So like Tony said, it's all about risk vs reward. Sometimes a property will hit #1 with ease and stay there forever. But a lot of times you reach a point of "diminishing returns". Like anytime we take our boat out. The radar lights up, so we drop anchor and I may reel up 8 bass in a couple of hours. Everyones happy and having fun. Then that radar goes blank... and my family has this weird habit of saying, "awww.... lets just stay another hour... the radar might be wrong". And I'm always the one to say, "the last 10 times this happened how many times was the radar wrong"? Then we usually pull up the anchor and move to another spot. :)

    I try to apply that same analogy to SEO.

    -BB
     
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    No one, in his right mind, would be willing to settle for second or third. Only a loser would think that way and since I am no loser, I would aim for number 1.
     
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