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Do the ends justify the means?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by pewep, Aug 10, 2009.

  1. pewep

    pewep Power Member

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    I've been struggling with this moral dilemma for a while now. The question is simple, but the answer complex. Do the ends justify the means?

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  2. TheInternetHustler

    TheInternetHustler Regular Member

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    Depends what the ends and the means are.
     
  3. Paper-Boy

    Paper-Boy Elite Member

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    it's okay to deceive people for a few bucks and have them not losing anything.

    but for me, it's not okay to rip people off who are currently looking for a job and they end up getting charged.

    that's just me.
     
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  4. MuonTrail

    MuonTrail Registered Member

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    The short answer is: Depends.

    Though if you're questioning it, then the answer for you is probably no.
     
  5. pewep

    pewep Power Member

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    In this case I'm specifically asking you would you commit evil in order to perform a great good in the future?

    Let me give you a scenario. You could kill 10,000 innocent people which will allow you save (from death) 100,000 - 1M desperate innocent people in 5 years or so. Would you do it?
     
  6. MuonTrail

    MuonTrail Registered Member

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    Depends. :)

    But unless your original problem somehow involves you contemplating killing someone, I don't think that analogy will be very helpful in you finding an answer. Life is complex and there are rarely any clearcut answers. Perhaps you can share some more details?
     
  7. TheInternetHustler

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    Yeah I agree, "it's okay to deceive people for a few bucks and have them not losing anything." thats pretty much my businesses model.
     
  8. Sanitarium

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    I'll tell you what I always tell the rest,
    send me your money and the lord will bless you.
    Problem solved.

    On a serious note, only you know the answer, it's not as complex as you think.
     
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  9. BigHustlah

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    You also need to remember that if you aren't doing it, someone else is. For me the decision is easy, as this has gone through my head plenty of times too. Which should I choose? Making money off of deceiving people, or inadequately providing for my family? It's a no brainer. "Do what you gotta do". While immoral, what I do isn't illegal. I can live with that, if it means that my family will eat right and not have money struggles from month to month.
     
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  10. heiny

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    Tbh...It's a dogs-eat-dogs world. You don't f with people, you will eventually get f'ed too. So how I see it; do them over and double do them again after the first time. Cross-sell, up-sell, make their PC into your money-making machine...list is endless

    Anyway, a lot of you will think I'm evil, cruel and immoral - frankly, someone will come and screw your b*mhole one day and you'll think; why the f didn't I just do over a lot more people than what I could have.
     
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  11. superbspurs

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    I believe what goes around will come around and whatever happens to us is deserved. I did an employment thing where i advertised fake jobs, made a chunk of change but when it came time to notify the job seekers that they may be the victim of ID theft I didnt/couldnt do it because i knew it would hit people who couldnt afford it. Everyone is different and has different standards, just remember what goes around comes around whether you believe it or not.
     
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    Over here in the USA we do it all the time.........

    It's called- The War on Terror
     
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  13. forgetyou

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    YES.
    maybe its too short so yes but...
    as long as you are not hurting other peeps and not breaking the law. (well, maybe not that far, how about as long as you make sure you can't get caught breaking the law)
     
  14. Jcsarokin

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    Always.

    Your living for yourself, not anybody else. If you have to fuck 1 or 2 people over to get where you need to get, granted that you will give back when you get there, sure go for it.

    Survival of the fittest. You cant look out for everyone, because then you end up not looking out for yourself.
     
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  15. heiny

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    Man fuck that shit...I can already say; if you get too big (too known) and you've gone the right way of getting there you will get f'ed in the bum eventually by some donut AG or some suit-frenzied lawyers aching for more money to support their extravagant lifestyle of coke and big Mercs....Time to go darkside and just screw people over from day 1.
     
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    Well I feel like a douche having unemployed people sign up with their CC, but if it's just a form I don't feel too bad about it. Then again I don't really need to make money to support myself/family so i don't know.
     
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    Part of notes of Dan Kennedy's Wealth Attraction Program:

    Can be rich just by going after dumb money
    - everyone has dumb money for SOMETHING (hobbies like golf)

    I can't feel bad for taking money
    - from "poor" people
    (they're going to be poor anyway)
    - from dumb people
    (they're going to be dumb anyway)
     
  18. gbmack

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    No. The ends do NOT justify the means.


    If I murder 100 old ladies and steal their purses for a grand total of $100,000, I could say "the ends justify the means"

    However, you could do business legitimately and make that $100,000 with integrity.
     
  19. heiny

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    And get sued for $200,000 because somehow a lawyer will find a way to f you over...You sold the consumers a bad service. Your T&C font was size 8 instead of 12. You charged Grandma Penny a dollar too much. You never send out the promised goods. You falsely advertised for a product that didn't make their penis bigger. You never came through with your product....List goes on. They'll find a way to squeeze a dime + extra out of you.
     
  20. pewep

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    You obviously didn't get the argument. if you murder the 100 old ladies and use the money to save 1,000 men and women, THAT would be justified imo. W/E, i'm going to do it anyway because I know I'll give it all back in the end and will make the world a better place.
     
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