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Do PBN links cause a drop in SERP rankings before a rise?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by hockmasm, Oct 6, 2015.

  1. hockmasm

    hockmasm Regular Member

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    During September 18 to 21 I created 12 PBN sites that link to two money sites. I also bought high metric fiverr guest blog posts on good domains. 6 for money site #1 and 4 for money site #2.

    Money site #1 has been decreasing in rankings for many keywords over the last week accoring to Serplab.co.uk. Money site #2 has been increasing on keyword ranks. My money site #1 has been ranking for a lot of keywords naturally until now that I created the PBN.

    Analytics shows the organic traffic to be normal, not major drops.

    Does anyone know why this is happening? I am in fear that the PBN I set up is now causing problems for money site #1 even though the metrics were high on the sites I bought. But, money site #2 is going up in rankings which has had no backlinks and is a new site.

    Any help would be great.
     
  2. bartosimpsonio

    bartosimpsonio Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    If the links are detected to be from a PBN, they'll only harm you.
     
  3. LuckyCharm007

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    It can be two things :

    - Google Dance. Google is "analyzing" the power of your link and gradually adding the "juice"

    - You over optimized your keyword which caused a drop in ranking.

    Wait a few days to see if ranking comes back
     
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    A Google dance can occur from any amount of backlinking from any sites, especially if the site is new and only has a short link history as it is.

    If the PBN is a quality one you should eventually see a rise but if not then you may never see anything positive from it. I would maybe consider the probable quality of the PBN you are dealing with before deciding how to act on the matter. Fiverr isn't exactly known for it's high quality.
     
  5. hockmasm

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    my anchor text were varied on each one and i never did an exact match. i used long keyword phrases, url, brand name, etc. for any keyword mention i used anchor text like "visit this site for the KEYWORDS you can buy."
     
  6. hockmasm

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    the pbn sites i bought were good stuff. they did not have many links but still had high DA, PA, CF and TF. the backlink profiles were mainly urls or brand name. i checked the fiverr link sites before i bought then and made sure that had good DA, PA, CF and TF before i posted something on them.

    also, the site taht is losing rank is my 1 year old site that ranked naturally for tons of keywords with not much linking being done. the brand news site is raising in ranks. it seems weird to me.
     
  7. LuckyCharm007

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    I would play the waiting game. Keep the links alive for another 3-4 weeks and see where you at then. I know it sucks to wait but that's what I would do in your case.
     
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    It'll be a dance as they are unlikely to review you already. What is the quality of the PBN you've built like? I assume at least 10 posts / pages each, each built on separate we hosting, with either different cms or themes? Remember each pb needs to appear as if it's a normal website.
     
  9. hockmasm

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    all pbn sites are indexed now. i only have 2-4 posts on each. each pbn site links to both money sites.
     
  10. LuckyCharm007

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    I wouldn't link to both money sites.
     
  11. hockmasm

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    I read you can link back to all money sites up to 10 per PBN.
     
  12. BreaknBrix

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    This is 1 aspect of PBNs I'm still getting use to. When I first started dropping PBN links I didn't see much of a change. But I gauged the response of EVERY LINK I dropped. Once I got to links, 4, 5, 6, 7, etc I started seeing very consistent and stable green arrows. I took it slow and steady and got my site to page 1.

    Then I dropped my most recent link Sept 28th. All I've been seeing are red arrows since then. Keywords moving from 5 to 12 which is not good imo. I reevaluated the specific site, anchor text, majestic, rewent through archive... couldn't find any red flags about the site. Maybe I need an ahrefs account idk.

    So I waited, and keywords continued to go down. A couple days ago I said "fuck this" and removed the link. Within 24 hours all keyword movement stopped. All red arrows stopped. Today I'm seeing green arrows here and there. Very minor movements / too early to tell.

    I keep thinking "maybe that site had a penalty or some bad links I would have seen in ahrefs". But IDK.

    Chances are, I could have left the link, added more links and the effect would have gained positive momentum again. If I was in a churn burn niche that's what I'd do. But I'm not. These are important sites so testing is critical.

    The biggest issue with testing is you wait all this time to find out why things happen... and in the end don't always know why. If a week from now my site moves back to page 1 I'll still have no idea wtf was wrong with that 1 PBN site.

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  13. hockmasm

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    a lot of my secondary keywords are in the red this week. many have dropped several spots. it is irritating me. i hope my PBN or fiverr links didn't cause any problems. I guess the good thing is that I can go into my PBN sites and remove the links and hopefully the ranks will improve again. I am going to give it a week and see what happens, because as I said above, my second money site is seeing all green arrows, with many keywords jumping up 20 spots or more. however, that site is not making me any money yet.
     
  14. accelerator_dd

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    Any messages in GWT?

    If that keeps happening, remove links from site #1 and see if it comes back up. It depends on a lot of things, it's not just "this type of link linsk to your site". Google is trying to figure out for each link/domain how likely it is to link to the target, I havent heard any official announcements, but I see it in the SERPs. This will slow down link building even more if I am right.
     
  15. hockmasm

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    So, it is now October 16 and my site has dropped about 40% in organic traffic since adding my PBN links. Today I removed them all. 11 websites and 3 weeblys. Hoping my ranks will be restored.

    I noticed that on October 1 all my pages organic traffic dropped. So it seems there is a correlation between my PBN building and rank decrease, do you think?

    I can't believe that that little number of sites could cause such a decrease in rankings. I have over 300+ domains and 800+ backlinks to my site currently. Is this normal? Did I do something wrong?

    I mixed all the PBN backlinks anchor text. I never repeated an anchor text and used a mix of urls, titles, generic, keyword with other words around it, etc.

    Al I have now is 6 backlinks I bought from fiverr on backlink blog sites. The metrics are good on these sites and I noticed my main competitor this is all the backlinking he has done and is ranking high for a ton of keywords. He is not using any private PBN that I can see.
     
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    How diverse is your anchor text profile?
     
  17. hockmasm

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    I mixed all the PBN backlinks anchor text. I never repeated an anchor text and used a mix of urls, titles, generic, keyword with other words around it, etc.
     
  18. hockmasm

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    has anyone else had this experience with building a PBN?
     
  19. Vaakoh

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    I think the real question here is this... were the PBN links the ONLY backlinks you've built to your site? If so, there's a good possibility as to why you tanked. Having nothing but PBN links as your backlink profile is a big no-no. You want a mix of other types of links - social properties, high quality web 2.0s, branding links, etc - all with varying anchors, branded URL anchors, and such before implementing PBN links.
     
  20. TheN20

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    lololol if you lost rankings for adding pbn links then your pbn sucks.