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Do NOT promote Text Chemistry by Amy North

Discussion in 'Clickbank' started by gvncerri, Jan 21, 2019.

  1. mickyfu

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    All of which would be exactly the same had the user made their own promo video. It is clearly just a reason to steal positions and comission.
     
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    Did you use any negative marketing?

    E.g: "Is xxxxx a SCAM?", "The TRUTH about xxxx in this video!"

    These are not allowed as stated in their affiliate program's promotional rules. Most vendors are very strict about this as they don't want to be associated with any negativity marketing because it stains their product's reputation.

    Eh, according to their affiliate's terms and condition (http://affiliates.lovelearnings.com/terms/):
    So yeah...
     
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  3. SocialManager

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    You seem to be misunderstanding the difference between someones ORIGINAL CONTENT, and using content SOMEONE ELSE created. How can you steal positions and commission from a banned video? That's impossible. The product owner is the ones who banned him, not a competitor. A competitor can only report him. The company doesn't mind if he outranks them with his original content, but they DO NOT want him to outrank them for THEIR OWN high quality content. They put money into creating this video content, they don't want people to just steal it, then outrank them, and end up paying someone commission on lower quality conversions of their own content. If it's his, they of course can't stop him from doing whatever he wants.
     
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    And to confirm, they do NOT offer any videos on their website for promoting Text Chemistry. They only offer links, banners, images, and text content. So OP clearly broke the terms of service, got caught (probably reported by a competitor), got banned. This is simply a lesson for blackhat marketers. There is no conspiracy theory here. The company isn't scamming or banning because they want to steal from him. He clearly didn't pay attention to the TOS and just thought because other black hat marketers aren't getting banned, he should be fine. That's not how it works. This is always the risk you take. Before you put in serious time and effort, and money, into promoting, clear your promotions with your affiliate managers first!
     
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    I saw other ways of using "negativity marketing". You create a video titled "Is Product_name a scam?", without using their content, so they can't ban you.
    Then you point a few negatives of the product: why it's a bad idea to buy this product. And then you recommend their competitor's product and why it's better.
    I see how "wealthy affiliate" affiliates do this all the time. They can't ban you, you still make money.
     
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    Some vendors and very strict with their rules. You uploaded their VSL to YouTube without having permission, you got caught, you were banned. Simple. It's your own fault.
     
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    That's how I see it.

    If you don't want SEO experts promoting your product/service then don't hire an affiliate network for SEO's!
     
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  8. mickyfu

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    Erm you ban it and take their commission? Erm because their no2 video becomes no1. I get the feeling you are very new to this business.

    Let's put it this way. I have over 700 affiliates below me. They use media that my affiliate manager makes. I also make my own media (well pay for it). I could not give two wanks if one of our affiliates found the said media, ranked it, and was making me money. It would be irrelevant to me, that they had copied my media. As it is with 1000s upon 1000s of Clickbank vendors.
     
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    You are being unnecessarily rude. I have been doing IM, mostly blackhat, for the last 7 years. Is this perhaps your first time seeing someone get banned for doing blackhat marketing and you think because you have Junior VIP you should come and talk shit? He STOLE their video. It EXPLICITLY says on their website DO NOT STEAL OUR VIDEOS WITHOUT WRITTEN CONSENT. Getting video #2 to video #1 isn't stealing positions or commission. The only reason he has #1 is because he had good content which he stole from them.

    Again, let me make this clear, because you don't seem to get it: HE STOLE FROM THE COMPANY. HE STOLE THEIR CONTENT. THE COMPANY DIDN'T STEAL FROM HIM. Does the caps lock make this clearer for you? He got banned because he broke their TOS. He got a copyright strike because he stole their copyright content and used it to make money from them.

    Just because YOU do something one way, doesn't mean EVERY OTHER company has to do it that way. Again, their TOS is very clear. Did you read it? Someone took the time to post their TOS to this very thread. It very clearly says you need written permission to use their videos. Stop trying to act like company did anything wrong. Stop trying to get other people banned from clickbank marketing. You are giving very bad information in this thread.

    The correct information is DO NOT USE other peoples content without their permission. DO NOT think that because everyone else does it, it's ok for you to do it. You are risking a ban.
     
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    What does stealing someones video have to do with SEO? They do want SEO experts. This is a BLACK HAT MARKETING website. Stealing someones content is BLACK HAT, well, it's even more than that, it's really just theft. It's literally a crime, it's intellectual property theft. But, it's very common in black hat marketing, and it's very common to get banned, and it's very common to get a copyright strike on youtube when you do it. If the company wanted people to use their videos, they would give permission to do so. Their TOS explicitly says don't steal our videos. Using others content is NOT SEO. I don't know why you guys are trying so hard to defend the idea of stealing content from other people. That is not SEO.
     
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    Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

    Dress it up as you like. They stole his money.
     
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    You are literally denying that he did anything wrong when he admits to breaking their TOS by stealing their intellectual property and using it for himself. This is absolutely shameful behavior from a Jr VIP. Someone literally copy and pasted their TOS here that shows he broke the TOS. Stop this man. You have to be better than this. Do you have some interest in attacking this company? You aren't adding anything of value to this thread. You are intentionally misleading people by thinking that this company did something wrong and that users are allowed to use copyright content without permission. You are just going to end up getting other users banned because they will see you are a Jr VIP and trust you, but you are wrong here.
     
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    Yes. Do you understand what "predatory terms" are in a contract?

    They clearly know that people use Clickbank vendors videos. They clearly know that many people will not read their TOS. So they add predatory terms in their contract. Basically making them thieves.

    You can't possibly give one good reason why they would not let their affiliates use their promo material. Other than repeating your previous nonsense.
     
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    You have got to be kidding me. "DONT STEAL OUR CONTENT" is absolutely not a predatory term. You live in a black hat bubble. It is not normal to use peoples content without their permission outside of the black hat world. It's literally against the law to do so. You should ALWAYS ASSUME that businesses DO NOT want you to steal their content. The videos aren't even available on the affiliate section of their website, you literally have to use additional tools to search out and download their videos in order to use them. If they included the videos in the affiliate section somewhere, fine, but they don't. That's how you know they don't want you to do it. I am so frustrated right now that someone is pretending to be an expert, and is a Jr VIP, and is actually pretending that it's somehow wrong for a company to ban people for stealing their content.

    They want to control how their product is marketed. They provide the creatives for affiliates to use. They don't want to be outranked with their own content because then they are paying money that they shouldn't have to pay. If someone else spends time to make THEIR OWN content, then it is worth it for them to pay the commissions. If someone is stealing their content and THEN outranking them, that is STEALING FROM THE COMPANY. The affiliate is wrong here. The company did nothing wrong. This is ridiculous. If you spend time and money to steal someones content and then get banned, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

    Again, YOU ARE MISLEADING OTHER USERS. STOP SPREADING THIS IDEA THAT IT IS OK TO STEAL CONTENT. ALWAYS READ THE TOS. NEVER STEAL CONTENT OR YOU RISK BAN. Do you not care about actually helping people? It's NOT normal to steal!
     
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    Writing in caps. Please stop.

    Go for a walk, take the dog out, watch some TV - no need to get worked up.
     
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  16. mickyfu

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    @so
    Why you so angry? Calm down dear. Why you so defensive of a company that uses underhand tactics to take money from affiliates. Anyone would think you have motives.

    I see you dodged my question of naming one good reason that a product vendor would not want you to use their promo materials. I'll give you a good reason, because it is a predatory term to steal commission.

    Oh ps. Speaking of TOS, ironically, you aren't meant to use CAPS.

    You don't scare me with your CAPS talk. Neither are you reinforcing your opinion.

    Your opinion is quite simply wrong. Affiliates use promotional materials to promote products. I could not care less about your opinion. The terms in their TOS are simply there to thieve money from their affiliates.
     
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    You Sin.

    OP suspects that he got banned because outranked the main video for the offer. That's SEO.

    Otherwise I don't know what the hell you're goin on about. I've been doing this since the mid 1990's, you're not schooling me on what is or isn't. I've never lost a lawsuit in these 20+ years doing this.
     
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    I am angry because people like you are the reason that OP got banned, and your comments will result in other people getting banned in the future, and they will not understand why they got banned when everyone else is doing it. Then, they will be pointed to read the TOS, and they will say "well I shouldn't have to read the TOS!" It's beyond ignorance that you are spreading. It's intentionally misleading people so that they break the TOS of affiliate programs. I am not defensive of the company, I am defensive of the practice of protecting your intellectual property. Of course everyone steals content from other people, but of course people shouldn't be surprised when they get caught and get banned for it.

    I didn't dodge your question at all. I gave you legitimate reasons why people want to protect their intellectual property, and you just dismissed them.

    You want to talk about the BlackHatWorld Terms of Service? Ok, lets do that:

    https://www.blackhatworld.com/help/terms

    21. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

    This Site is protected by our copyrights, trademark and/or service mark rights, trade secret rights, and other intellectual property laws. We own all such intellectual property. If you create derivative works of our product(s), despite the prohibition on doing so, you agree that we will own the intellectual property in those works.

    So, according to you, BlackHatWorld is using predatory terms, and they are thieves? Why wouldn't BlackHatWorld want other people to use their intellectual property however they want? Isn't it all just promoting BlackHatWorld? The website you are part of, the website which you pay money to for Jr VIP status, agrees with me according to their TOS. According to you, BlackHatWorld are predatory thieves.

    But sure, my opinion is simply wrong. You can steal anything you want and call it promotional materials.
     
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    All I see when you post is *** ***** ****** it's possible you have been banned for not following the TOS.