Hello, I really never find any way how to recover my penguin hit sites and panda hit sites so I did not do almost anything. Well, the sites are quality and onsite SEO is good, but they still going deeper and deeper because of bad backlinks. I would like to know if google ever forgets. Google now knows that the sites are "bad", but for how long will those punishments last, forever? I lost all hope that I will get my positions back anytime soon, but if I will not do any black hat stuff for example for one or two years, do you think that google will finally "forget", that sites was once bad? I would also like to know if google can punish my sites just because the data of domain owner, I now feel like its punishing all my sites, on different hostings which are even not interlinked.