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Do ALL the PBN sites in the Marketplace eventually get deindexed?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by thunderjack, Dec 22, 2016.

  1. thunderjack

    thunderjack Newbie

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    I read so many threads of people starting their own PBNs, and saying that's the only way to go.

    Then I read about all these great PBN link packages for sale in the Marketplace that sound wonderful. I am very tempted to try some of them out. Then occasionally I see an IM guru in their newsletters saying to avoid those packages, because all it takes is some Google techs to buy a few packages, reverse engineer, then deindex *everything* involved.

    (and many people promise that this is exactly what happens, because once they're for sale in the open like this, they're now public, not private...or at best, semi-private)

    Or am I missing something? Maybe there's 2 or 3 PBN packages that are better than the rest??

    You BH experts are all buying the packages, so I guess you're making them work for you. I doubt you're pointing them at your money sites...or are you? Or do you point them at your secondary or 3rd level social sites, and don't care that they die in a year?

    I guess I'm trying to ask: how can I make a PBN Marketplace purchase work without eventually getting everything deindexed?
     
  2. BlackBDO

    BlackBDO Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Depends on how well they are done. Some sellers throw some content on a one-page domain and call it PBN. Others make more complex ones, that are way more safe. But that's just my 2c (Subjective opinion also)
     
  3. MikeyMikey13

    MikeyMikey13 Senior Member

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    How cost efficient do you think it is buying SEO packages to deindex a network?

    Google pour money into developing their algo to wipe out thousands and thousands of them at a time.

    And a PBN is PRIVATE blog network. A public blog network is hardly private, but yeah public networks get deindexed all the time but that is usually due to their linking out patterns.

    Deal with caution when getting a package. I would suggest just saving up and buying your own PBN.
     
  4. asap1

    asap1 BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP

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    Not at all.
     
  5. Nargil

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    Well, you can't.

    You can use them as tier 2 to buffer your web 2.0s, sure, but they are too expensive for that. There are some cheap spammy PBNs, which are perfect for this.

    Of course the more expensive PBNs are designed to be used as tier 1. I personally (SUBJECTIVE) think that Marketplace is under-moderated and whatever crap is allowed to be sold. They all won't get necessarilly deindexed, but you can't really expect any seller to keep the sites alive for more than a year or two. Then your links will get dropped. But the main problem is, that many of these sites have terrible history, spammy anchors, bad design, high OBL and sellers do not care what niches they really allow, so it's a mashup of everything from hacks cracks to local SEO to CPA stuff. These PBNs are perfect for short term projects, but I would never use them for something that I want to last.

    For that you have to use your own PBN, which may get costly and you can screw it up if you don't know what you are doing. Decision is ultimately yours.

    I've talked about this more here - https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/p...ality-misconceptions-and-expectations.890804/
     
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  6. thunderjack

    thunderjack Newbie

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    So...without expressly pointing me at some packages that leave the least # of footprints, can you give me some pointers of what to look for in a package for sale and what to avoid?

    Update: this was sent before I saw Nargil's previous reply. He seems to have answered everything in the thread he added. Thanks!
     
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  7. djp371

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    Before purchasing, I recommend that you check the domain's archive history for any signs of abuse or spam. Another thing to check is if it has a good backlink profile.
     
  8. janist

    janist Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Well, those can give a certain value to a specific or individual domain and should be at the forefront of evaluating the price for a given service - but for footprints you should check:

    - Reverse DNS the IP that the website is hosted on to see if the domain(s) are hosted separately or are bundled together, or even worse share the IP with a ton of other PBN sites. A unique IP from a variety of data centers (locations) for each domain from premium hosting vendors would be the best scenario.
    - Check the hosting providers they use, the given nameservers for each domain, MX records. If they try to scramble with Cloudfare etc to hide server-sided footprints. Usually all PBN providers use at leat 3-5 diff. domain registrars, so that should be a given.
    - Check WhoIs (Privacy would be preferred, or at least unique (fake) names for each domain).
    - Check Theme Footprints (e.g. not one single theme is used for all domains), check archive.org.
    - Check the quality of the content (spun vs. unique, variance in word count etc.), duplicate content issues, mandatory pages (ToS, Privacy, Contact, Proper E-Mail etc.)
    - Check the OBLs, are your neighboring links in a totally diff. niche, or do you get fairly niche specific links. OBL < 15-20? Permanent / Rented links would be better than one-off packages that roll off the homepage after a few weeks.
    - If you want to get real specific, you could also check for common plugins (e.g. do they all use Spyderspanker et al. to block bots = not the best scenario,) do a pingdom speed test to check load time and uptime and check if the domains have some sort of social presence.


    Always ask for a few samples and try to grasp a bigger picture on the quality, setup and overall value. Be selective, be rational and just realize that you won't get all of the above with a package that costs 50$ for 15 links.
     
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  9. luc1fer

    luc1fer Regular Member

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    simply do not buy pbn links from marketplace i confirm all that Nargil said. most domains you will get links from are trash, much obl, spammy link profile, will eventualy get de-indexed or sellers wont renew them and you will suffer rank drop or penalty. i have been dissapointed few times and wont do it again..
     
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