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DMR vs. AutoSubmitForm

Discussion in 'Cloaking and Content Generators' started by lurnme, Jun 7, 2009.

  1. lurnme

    lurnme Regular Member

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    Is there a downfall to the form method I am missing? I always use a form but I see people saying to DMR still. Why send a blank ref when you can set it to any page you want? Plus you can also make a white page to show this way.

    Maybe there is a reason and I am missing something important. I understand how they both work and how to use them but is there is a reason maybe to do with browsers and JS. Is traffic lost with form submit since it uses JS?

    Possibly just a personal preference?
     
  2. zackster

    zackster Registered Member

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    Well i think an autosubmit is better but its more visible to AMs which is not good, maybe thats why
    Posted via Mobile Device
     
  3. jakeumms

    jakeumms Regular Member

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    What is an autosubmitform?

    The only thing I use is the WP redirector plugin. Care to explain?
     
  4. drkenneth

    drkenneth Executive VIP

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    This is the ideal and "undetectable method":

    -The user clicks a link which goes to your domain's 1st page.
    -The 1st page redirects them to the 2nd page via a JS form submit, adding one or several POST variables indicating that it is coming from this page.
    -The 2nd page has PHP that, if the proper POST variables are set correctly, loads ONLY a JS form submit redirect script, which runs, sending them to the affiliate. If the proper variables are not set, then it shows a normal whitehat page with content and NO redirect script, and a banner ad or some other ad to the affiliate.

    So, the user ends up at the affiliate, with the referer being set to the white-hat page.
    When the affiliate manager checks it out, it seems to be a legit page that is generating ad-based traffic. They are none the wiser, as they do not know the proper POST variables to see the 'hidden' redirect.


    Note: Auto form submit refers to using javascript which, when the page loads, simulates clicking on a submit button on a standard HTML form. The important thing about them is that they show the referer as the page that the script executed on.
     
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  5. zackster

    zackster Registered Member

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    I believe GodCPA uses auto form submits to fake the referrer.

    For people trying to build their own auto submits here is some code:
    Code:
    <?
    //This is the specific number to prevent discovery of the BH tricks
    //Change this number to be safe
    $num = "78346823";
    
    //The variable after the ?
    //EG: http://google.con?q=
    //q is the variable
    $var = "x";
    
    //Your offer page with your id in it or what ever
    $offer_pg = "http://somecpa.con/"
    
    //This file's name must end in .php
    $this_file = "index.php";
    
    if (isset($_GET[$var])) {
    $x = $_GET[$var];
    if ($x = $num) {
    //Display to screen the "redirect" page
    ?>
    <html>
    <body onload="document.forms['the_forms_name'].submit">
    <form name="the_forms_name" action="<? echo $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'].$this_file; ?>">
    <input name="jump" type="hidden" />
    </form>
    </body>
    </html>
    <?
    exit();
    }
    header ("Location: ".$this_file);
    }
    
    if (isset($_POST['jump'])) {
    //Display to screen the page that will become the referrer
    ?>
    <html>
    <body onload="document.forms['the_forms_name'].submit">
    <form name="the_forms_name" action="<? echo $offer_pg; ?>" method="POST">
    </form>
    </body>
    </html>
    <?
    }
    exit();
    ?>
    
    You send all your BH traffic to
    Code:
    http://yoursite.con/index.php?x=78346823
    And the php program will clean it up and send it to the offer page.

    PLEASE NOTE I HAVEN'T TESTED THE CODE BUT IN THEORY IT SHOULD WORK
     
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  6. blackcat.private

    blackcat.private Newbie

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    Seems damn good thanks ;)
     
  7. iglow

    iglow Elite Member

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    Its just called 'fake referer' you put other name and nobody understands :)
     
  8. lurnme

    lurnme Regular Member

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    No there are other ways to fake a ref, 'fake referer' is what it's doing not the method that does it. I suppose most might just call it that because what they read or understand.

    zackster already gave code so no need for me to and drkenneth explained why.

    But my question still remains, why would someone use DMR when you could show an AM any page you want. I have always used a form because that's the way I learned but I still see people saying to DMR the traffic even in new posts. Do you lose a small amount of traffic because the JS maybe or just a personal preference? Saves the trouble of making a nice cover site? My traffic is email and AMs know that so it doesn't really matter which I use so wanted to make sure I understood it. I just auto submit just for the sake of ref tracking really. My guess is it's just a preference or what they know how to do?

    Thanks for those that gave some input either way.