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[Discussion] Would you buy this Fiverr service? Why (not)?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gianni, Mar 16, 2011.

  1. gianni

    gianni Junior Member

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    Hello BHW.

    I've got an idea just now and want to hear your opinion on what you think about it.
    Would you buy this? Why (not)?


    I'd make a website where you register. Once your profile is done you can create fiverr gigs and save them in your "gigs list".

    You'd then buy credit via paypal or some other payment processor and load it to your account (fully automated).

    You could then use that credit to start the bot which would create a fiverr profile and post your gig in the appropriate section (one you specify).

    More credit you'd use, more profiles/gigs it would make.


    Basically point of this, more gigs = bigger exposure.


    You could tokenize the gigs and bot would post different ones each time.
    Each gig would be posted under a new mail, from a new ip from a new looking identity (different OS, different browser).

    In addition all of the emails associated with your profile would be redirected from emails that bot used in creation to your real email (used when registering on my website).



    Tell me what you think.
    Good idea? Bad?

    Say why.
     
  2. HoNeYBiRD

    HoNeYBiRD Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    i wouldn't say it's the worst idea i ever heard, but i can't see too big market for this either, but maybe it's just me because i'm only doing whitehat stuff on fiverr playing by their rules

    and you also should consider one more important detail: you're allowed to associate only one paypal account with one fiverr account, however i've seen people saying here that they're using the same paypal account with multiple fiverr accounts and they experienced no problem so far with withdrawing
     
  3. bushbabie21

    bushbabie21 Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Depending on the price..i would def buy...please keep me updated. If you could build a traffic sending module into it that send junk visitors to the created profiles i think you might have something.

    Only problem i could see would be the paypal payouts.
     
  4. bushbabie21

    bushbabie21 Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    you could however create a system where the various accounts just end up buying gigs from a "Master account" to cash out...slightly higher fees but would solve that issue.
     
  5. hanggolf

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    Perhaps I'm confused - so you're basically spinning gigs and posting them under numerous accounts to increase exposure? Wouldn't this dilute any credibility that you would be gaining by successfully completing and delivering the jobs? I don't know about you guys but when I buy something off Fiverr I actually do a little bit of homework. There has to be really good feedback and preferably a lot of it. And then I will quickly scroll through all the reviews and read the 3 or 5 longest ones. And I always make sure to look at any negative feedback. If someone had the same basic gig spread across a handful of accounts no one is going to see their actual feedback, strong or otherwise. So as a buyer this decreases the likelihood of me buying.

    Or am I completely way off base here?
     
  6. hanggolf

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    Dbl post... sorry.
     
  7. gianni

    gianni Junior Member

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    Do you mean such as posting reviews on one account from other fake accounts?
    This would (partially) solve the issue that hanggolf mentioned.


    Question about fiverr.

    When do you receive the money? Instantly or when you decide to "cash out"?


    If it's when you "cash out" then you could simply associate the same fiverr-paypal as you do fiverr-email and then when you build up cash associate the same email with paypal.

    I'm not a fiverr expert so keep that in mind.

    I just checked it out a while ago and it seemd like a good idea to make a service such as one I described.

    So, any Pros or Cons are HIGHLY suggested.
     
  8. hanggolf

    hanggolf Registered Member

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    You usually receive the money within 72 hours of completion as I understand it.
     
  9. HoNeYBiRD

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    no, i guess he meant junk traffic to the fiverr gigs which may affect the ranking (it has other components as well besides the traffic)

    when you decide to cash out after the 14(+3) days waiting period

    i'm not sure if i can follow you, but fiverr has the following in its TOS: "Your Fiverr profile can only be associated with one PayPal account. This association is permanent and can't be changed."
     
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    Once the order is marked as 'complete', there's a clearance/waiting period of 14 days until you can withdraw. After those 14 days only can you withdraw. You enter your paypal email, the money comes in 1 to 2 minutes to your paypal acct. I usually only cash out when I've had a balance of $100 or so. Saves the paypal fees. ;)
     
  11. gianni

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    You would use the same email in fiverr for both registration and paypal.

    So imagine email@myservice.com
    You use that for fiverr registration AND for your paypal.
    As part of my service any email that would come to email@myservice.com would get redirected to your@private.email.com.

    Once those 14 days pass you could simply go to paypal and associate email@myservice.com with paypal.

    Confirmation mail would be sent to email@myservice.com then redirected to your@private.email.com where you would click confirmation link (so you can use it in paypal).

    Tadaa. :D


    You can use up to 8 emails in paypal. So if you got for example 20 fiverr acounts you submit 7 extra of my emails, confirm them, check out in fiverr to those, remove them and add the next 7 and so on.

    I'd get a couple of domains so there would be no danger of fiverr catching up.


    Also, customers can be completely free-of-worries from me accessing their paypal account.

    If I'd try email recovery it would be sent to their PRIMARY email. And if I asked customer support to recover it I'd need the pin. Soooo... SAFE! :cool:
     
  12. HoNeYBiRD

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    almost with the difference that you don't need to enter your paypal anymore, just click on the 'Withdraw the $.... you've earned' button because of the rule in their TOS i mentioned above (you need to give your paypal once in your profile, which cannot be changed)

    @gianni: i see now, this would definitely help
     
  13. gianni

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    Above you mentioned that ranking depends on junk traffic.

    I've got tons of those I could do. Like I said. LOOOOOTS of proxies.

    Also, what other factors does it depend on?


    @bushbabie21 You said you are interested.
    How much would you pay for a service such as this?

    I was thinking of pricing 3 things.
    First one would be creating profiles
    Second would be making gigs from those profiles
    Third one would be posting reviews to those profiles from other profiles.

    Another possibility would also be the ranking you mentioned above, but I first need more info.

    So as asked above, how much would you be willing to spend?
     
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    not necessarily junk traffic, but traffic, fiverr likes traffic which come from outside their site

    other components are feedbacks, completed orders, maybe likes also, but it's pretty much changing in any minute (if you on the top of the first page for a given keyword with a gig, it can be that you search for that kw again a few seconds later and you will be on the second page or so)
     
  15. bushbabie21

    bushbabie21 Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Well as far as pricing goes, assuming you ironed out all the details for the three items you mentioned and packaged them to be a easy to use process. I would have to take into account the fees charged by both fiverr and paypal.

    So effectively you are looking at roughly $3.95 per sale. Then you would have to devise a way to get your money out. I seriously doubt that your idea of adding email addresses to a paypal profile will work. but for arguments sake lets say it works. I will be conservative and say based on the system being able to make me making 2 gigs/day that each sell 1 gig/week. You are looking at potial earnings of

    2x30= 60 new gigs/month
    60 gigs x 4 weeks=$240/month

    So obviously that is filled with unresearched assumptions but thats just the mental road i went down...I would say if you started out offering this service at $47/month you could go up to $97/month and still provide a worthwhile service to people.....again assuming the metrics worked out that well. :D

     
  16. gianni

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    Why only 2 gigs a day?

    With as many proxies as I got, I could easily be making 1000+ profiles per day.
    If each profile posts 3 gigs thats 3000 gigs A DAY.

    What kind of pricing plan do people prefer. Subscription for a static fee or pay per usage?

    nothing is set in stone yet. I'm not offering the service. I'd just like to discuss possibilities ;)
    If anyone got any additional suggestions for features and such, do bring them up.

    I'd much rather discuss the things I can offer to my customers for service they really like instead of the prices I'll set.
     
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  17. bushbabie21

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    I said 2 gigs a day because I was being conservative...but it now also dawns on me that there is a lot of work that must go into actually running that many accounts...

    -What are the gigs....I ask this because unless the users picks something that can be
    automated...it will be a nightmare
    -Users must have a way to see questions or system messages for each account.


    So I think managing multiple accounts would require an element of aggregated command. A master management system if you will.
     
  18. bushbabie21

    bushbabie21 Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Also i think a per usage or some sort of cluster pricing would make most sense. Although if I were offering the service i would prefer a subscription model. just my $0.02 :)
     
  19. Monrox

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    I already have a bot for my personal use that logs in, picks old gigs on some custom condition like age, never used etc, deletes them and reposts them anew. This way I always have my listings near the top.

    I went with a simple XML file where each gig is an element with attributes for Title, Description, Picture in binary, date created and so on. It saves me a lot time so your idea might work for your personal services but looks like a big hassle to make it a real platform for mutliple members.