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[DISCUSSION] Should SMM Panels Be Banned From BHW?

Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions & Feedback' started by Sherb, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. almir2015

    almir2015 Registered Member

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    I don't care, but what I hate at BHW recently is that whole homepage is covered by marketplace threads. Whole site feels like one huge market and good info is rare and hard to find.
     
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  2. BusinessMachine

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    I categorically disagree with this. There's still an absolute wealth of info shared here each and every week.
     
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  3. almir2015

    almir2015 Registered Member

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    There is some, but it's not BHW of old.

    Right now there are 33 marketplace threads of 50 homepage ones. It feels like Fivver. And yes, 5 of them at least, are always SMM panels.
     
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    I'll agree its not BHW of old, but that doesn't mean you can't find great stuff to put into action, if you're willing to dig for it.
     
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  5. InstagramDude

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    Completely banning them would be wrong.
    I think they should be separated into two different categories. Resellers and providers - They are vastly different after all. The actual providers behind most of the SMM's have a way better customer service, and usually a more targeted range of services in a higher quality.
    Considering that all SMM's are essentially the same, a specific refund policy should be enforced for these services specifically.
    That's just my 5 cents though.
     
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  6. BusinessMachine

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    Most of what you buy both online and offline is being sold by a reseller, from groceries to automobiles. So I'm not sure how you're going to even begin sorting that.
     
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    Its worth noting that in a few years people will likely say the same thing and it will likely still be the best place to learn IM.

    So enjoy the easy getting while its so easy. As AI outsmarts us the computers will own all of the searches :)
     
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  8. Matija Tunic

    Matija Tunic BANNED BANNED

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    you talking about smm panels, better check your panel and your support there, never seen the worst support like yours...and many services not working...
     
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  9. John242

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    Great post OP. I have something to add.

    I'd like to point something out regarding SMM Panel refunds:

    I have accounts on 5 or 6 major Smm Panels, and yes I can see my current balance as you would expect.

    But I cannot see my balance HISTORY....hmmm so how would I even know if the panel has given me a refund after I open a ticket? :eek:

    If I have a crazy balance to the 7th decimal like $59.9765124 and open a ticket for a dripfeed order that was not delivered or partially delivered, I always receive a typical panel response of either:

    -"Sorry we have restarted your order" (and no refund, even though I asked for a refund...not for you to re-send it o_O)
    -"Sorry we will give credit" (but there is no note saying WHAT my balance was before and after the credit)


    How am I supposed to know if my balance went up or down when there is no balance history?? :D Am I supposed to assume it was and not freak out over $1-2, meanwhile the reseller or supplier is making millions of dollars from millions of people like me...?
     
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  10. leadingsmm

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    You can’t blame smm panels for that.
    If its really 7th decimal then take a screenshot before you send the refund request.
    Many smm panels have the balance history.
    It depends on the platform which they use.
     
  11. dheer

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    I have tried a bunch of panels here for my clients and every time I had to refund so yes all panels should be banned from bhw as they are NOT responsible for what they do. I'm not even sure why they are allowed here.

    I remember BHW back in the day as its been 10+ years since I'm here and if any service provider is not up to the mark then BHW used to ban them even if the member was a super admin.
     
  12. Cyberars

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    lately it seems that there are many complaints about the smm panels, this thread by @Sherb provided here a deep & detailed analysis of this situation also @xWGx explained this issue already in AUG 2019
    https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/fucking-smm-panels.1147017/

    i understand the problems very well and i think there is a very simple solution, just by harnessing the wisdom of the crowd (BHW crowd of course) to check and verify "service as described" or "not as described"

    BHW don't need to develop anything new just changing the rules in a way that will help the smm-panels (BST owners) and the BHW members to do fair deals with max transparency over the product quality.


    how it will work!

    let's say a provider that want to offer YouTube Views to some smm-panel that listed on BHW, he can offer it as he offer now like in the wild-wild-west, no one really checked if that service is working as described or working at all...
    or he can certify that service on BHW, on a special new section of "certified services by BHW" that is only 1 thread per unique service, that thread is NOT a BST, the provider will not sell anything, he will add the original description and pay some $ fee so a BHW mod can approve his thread and give him a "certified services number" that number will be shown on any panel that offer that "certified services by BHW" badge, linking back to that service thread.

    that service thread is NOT BST, it will not contain prices, only the original service description, that the provider himself attached to it, members of BHW that will use that service, are requested to post "service as described" or "not as described"

    but in order to make this to work, some rules must be enforced:

    1. no shit list issues, this is not a smm panel reviews thread
    2. no review copy/trial requests
    3. no bullshit. only members that actually bought it can add their post if "service as described" or "not as described"
    4. and very important, no "where can i get that service in the marketplace?"

    for example if a service provided add in description - INSTANT START [1-2 hours]
    and get 10 posts that say "not as described" started after 12 hours...

    the provider will need to change his description to START TIME [1-12 hours]
    after the provider made that change on the thread (as a new post), members on BHW will be able to ping @Smm-Panel-owners about the change so they can also change it on his panel.

    if the service improved after a week, BHW members will be able to add post that the start time is now 30 minutes, so the provider can fix his description according to the improved start time.

    i really believe that this kind of system can work, and it's a WIN-WIN-WIN since members here will ALWAYS be able to check certified service to see what did the last clients that ordered said about it, the reseller that never have time or ability to check all his offered services will have daily update on the service status, he will be able to disable it, if he see too many complains on that service thread. less support for him and less disputes.

    and that's right, providers that wish to certified their service, will have to pay for such thread and maintain the service to fit the description that all we ask! even if the service is not perfect they can still sell it, but they have to let the end user know exactly what he gets. (they will get the direct feedback so they can improve their service and stay on top of things)

    i also think that this should to be a volunteered approach process, only providers that want to do that will earn the BHW community trust and dollars!, by using this suggested system, i don't think that anyone need to ban smm-panels from BHW, if the members here will ONLY use "certified services by BHW" that will be the best incentive for the entire market to follow, since the same shit happens everywhere.
     
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  13. ThreeOfClubs

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    Great thread, hope something happens soon. I wanted to use an SMM but all the horror stories are steering me away until more guarantees on their credibility come along aside from reviews from what could easily be their second/third/fourth accounts.
     
  14. HaxTuTorial

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    I think this is a good potential solution, i like it! Only issue i can see coming from this is that when it comes to reviews in general, users tend to only make a review when things aren't going well. Say an instagram follower server is working 75% of the time, the majority of those 75% will never leave a review or make any posts indicating the server is working. I know this because i have set up a system to automatically detect good or bad servers. When "downtime" as i call it, is at around 10% or below generally speaking i get no complaints about the server, but when it is above, even say 15%,i get many complaints, however for 85% of my users that server works perfectly fine but I never hear from them/they never leave any reviews. Adding to your solution, we need to create an incentive for users to leave reviews about how well a server is working(all the time, not only when there is an issue).
     
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  15. Cyberars

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    i understand, this "voting" system is relaying on the feedback of the users of BHW community that actually tried the "certified service". members will need to be proactive and share their current experience in order for this to work... otherwise they will continue to suffer from it, anyway sometimes no news is good news, so if you stumble on a "certified service" that on it's BHW thread there are no negative votes from the past week and the last vote was positive from 2-3 days back, this will give you some assurance that it's still working. and add your vote later on.