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[DISCUSSION] Should SMM Panels Be Banned From BHW?

Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions & Feedback' started by Sherb, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. FUTUR TIM

    FUTUR TIM Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I do agree for the most part and a better testing system should be implemented by mods imo, but you can't generalize all SMM panels like that. The service gets delivered more often than not and we can always solve things in the SL section when it's going wrong. We can't ban a business, but we can set strict rules to better the service quality on BHW.
     
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  2. reuse

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    Suggestion: If someone is a reseller, their thread title should start with [RESELLER]. This way, BHW doesn't need to prohibit sellers, and buyers can make informed decisions.
     
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    Can you legitimately give me 5 reasons they’re useful in any way tho?

    AFAIK social channels have removed their ability to affect the algorithm.
     
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    There is one service for instagram growth that is very useful. One service with youtube ads views that is also usefull
     
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    This is the solution.

    The service only gets delivered when the views are working. When there's issues you're screwed because all panels promise results but can't deliver. Then you're losing tons of money and none refund because they're reselling. It's a vicious cycle.and the only way to end that would be to prevent resellers.

    This is the most likely solution actually.
     
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  6. SunnyLeon

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    Would people be honest about this though? How can you check? The mod will only see the reports they send, not the full process..
     
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    Why do people want to buy followers and likes from SMM panel?
     
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  8. FUTUR TIM

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    I couldn't care less if they're reselling or not. Do you personally have issues with a BHW seller? Open up a thread in the SL section, provide evidence and get your money back.
     
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    You're getting banned my friend. I don't know how hard must it be to understand that you can get your money back if you're willing to go through the set process.
     
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    I also agree that the SMM panel business is rather dishonest.

    There needs to be some cleaning up to do, that industry has changed. Many can't keep up with demand anymore, many sellers do not want to stop doing business as they were use to the income. And will continue to cheat and scam users for as long as they can.

    Remember the whole fiasco with Goso?

    That man showed his true colors. And he was supposed to be a top seller for SMM.

    https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/stay-away-from-goso-io.1128963/
     
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    Very good points! I agree with them all, excited to see what type of conversation this sparks amongst admins!
     
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  12. FUTUR TIM

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    No, you're the one who's on the wrong forum if you think calling people names is cool. Just enjoy your infraction or ban or whatever mods decide to give to you. The only one that's getting embarrassed here is you since you fail to understand what a SL section is.
     
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  13. Razen666

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    It was my first time buying SMM services from BHW and it will be the last time. When u have someone with 100 services how the fuck u expect him to provide good services... it's either u are going to sell youtube services or other ones but to sell all of them and barely give good quality services.. NO!! and let's not talk about thoes that put " ranking views" in their title and the views don't even fucking rank.. and when a newbie come to blackhatworld and buy thinking that it's gonna get him ranked .. that's the fucked up part.
     
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  14. Scorpion Ghost

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    Okay. Let me try.

    1) You can buy subs and views required to get monetized on Youtube. Would take a Helluva lot longer to get it organically.

    2) Social proof, with all the benefits that brings. And theres a ton of them.

    3) Rankings. Whether a Youtube video or Instagram timeline or whatever it may be, you can get a rankings benefit buying services.

    4) Traffic. Buying fb post shares or pinterest repins or twitter retweets or soundcloid reposts. Whatever sharing service. No matter how bad the profiles doing the sharing, your post is still being shared and theres always the potential to get sone traffic out if it, at least the few low hanging fruits

    5) Website ranking. For those that believe that social signals help with ranking on the search engines, panels can help with it. Especially with certain things like Facebook webpage likes. And if someone has those social sharing buttons on their site with counters, its much nicer to see those counters be at a higher number. Makes the page/site look more popular and compels readers to share too.

    Of course a service only gets delivered when its working. What are you saying? And dealing with a reseller or a provider wont make a bit of difference in terms of delivering. If a service is working it will be delivered no matter if youre buying from a provider or a reseller. That said, there is no 1 provider for all services. There are many many different providers for each service.

    How do you lose money? I dont understand this. You buy, its delievered, done. You buy, its not delivered, money is refunded in panel balance. If you want your money back you ask for it. If the panel jerks you around (as they often do) you threaten the sons of bitches with a chargeback and/or you shitlist them here on the forum (assuming theyre a panel that has a salesthread here).

    So youre under the impression that all providers just fart and likes come out. I create some views like i take a piss.

    What about the proxies and electricity and computers and bots and hundreds of thousands of hours put into it?

    So wait a minute. Would you consider someone doing google ads to deliver youtube views a provider? If yes, dont you think it costs them time and money to deliver?

    Not every service is soundcloud plays that you can do with a $10 bot and free proxies.

    What could be done to tell a provider from a reseller is put a provider to the test. Is your service working? Yes. And its instant start? Yes. Okay, here is a link i want the likes to start increasing in the next 15 minutes. If they do, you may be dealing with a provider. Then mid order you make sure the seller is online and you tell them to stop delivering, immediately. If 1 new like arrives 10 minutes from now, fail. A provider will be able to start/stop/speed up/slow down their services generally speaking, reseller wont be able to unless they have the provider on the other line at the same time. But lets face it, most panel owners and providers are shit business people who couldnt care less about anything and anybody. I wouldnt expect a high level or precise cooperation to where a panel owner could trick someone doing the test i mentioned above more than once.

    What you would get is ignored while they wait for their provider to come online. And then you will know.

    This is true. Its a lot of work to do customer support, deal with paymente, promote your panel... and if you provide your own services, to also deal with all the orders youre getting. And the more you scale the harder it becomes to keep up.
     
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    Really enjoyed reading the original post!

    This is probably my biggest annoyance. Pages and pages of requests for test balances with no reviews.
     
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    I love this post because it’s so true. Literally 99% of every SMM panel is a nightmare. No responsibility, no refunds and no general human decency unless a BHW mod steps in.

    it’s really pathetic and makes me cringe. I’m not sure while following the rules is so damn difficult for them.

    I get it, everyone makes mistakes but i’m thoroughly convinced each and every SMM panel knows the BS they are pulling. If they don’t then they either don’t care or are to stupid to realize the indecency which is just as bad imo.

    I don’t think banning them is the solution but due to the rampant lying/misleading of SMM panels there should be some sort of additional review or more stringent requirements for them.

    Quite honestly every timeI read an SMM panel try to defend themselves in a shitlist I literally feel embarrassed for them.

    “Do these people listen to themselves when they speak?” is what I think. The lack of common sense from some is appalling.

    Just my opinion on SMM panels. I don’t have much to offer in the way of a solution but I do think something needs to be done or at least strongly considered
     
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    I think if they want to keep working the way they do, with their "providers" and no responsibility, they should set their panels up like a marketplace.
    So we use their panel to buy the "provider's" services. Not acting like they are the ones offering the services and then bailing.

    They could have "provider 1 - live for 2years" "provider 2, live for 2months" or like the number of successful orders. So we'd know a little bit what we're getting into without having the zero responsibility thing.

    Or they should just die.
     
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    The problems is that generally speaking providers don't want to deal with customers.

    Provider deals with panel/reseller, gets paid by 1 customer - the panel. Does support for 1 customer - the panel.

    Panel deal with customers and the customer support for hundreds/thousands of people, and tons of payments on multiple payment processors, and chargebacks and lost Paypals and everything else.
     
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    And those that don't will go the way of the dodo bird.
     
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  20. Scorpion Ghost

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    Well, I'm not sure if you understood what I said.

    They can't go the way of the dodo bird (not by the admins here anyway) because they provide for the panels. A provider could be providing his service to a bunch of panels from the marketplace. Even if you get rid of a panel, he could be providing to a bunch of others.

    I'm just addressing the "lets get rid of all resellers and allow only providers to sell here" argument. Most providers wouldn't wanna do that.

    Look, I suffer at the hands of resellers too. I needed a little something the other day and I made an order on a panel. Within 30 minutes I didn't need it anymore and I contacted the panel ASAP to cancel the order. The order had not started, the start count had not been noted. They reply (fairly quickly) and tell me my ticket has been received and I'll have an answer within 0-24 hours.

    The other starts about 24 hours later and get delivered. And I'm just sitting here wondering how fucking hard was it to just, you know, NOT deliver it. Press a button, cancel it.

    Then the panel contacted me saying order can't be stopped once it's made. Which is ridiculous! And also note that they replied to my ticket pretty quickly, and IT MEANT NOTHING! I've said many time on this forum that just by having "fast" support does not mean you actually get support. You get jerked around is what you get. Calm you down while they try to fuck you :D

    And so I lost a few dollars over nothing.

    Now one could say that once an order is started it can't be cancelled. But why? That's ridiculous. I actually provide some of my own services and I cancel orders that haven't started and partial orders if asked all the time. If I didn't deliver anything, I cancel it. If I did deliver a part of the order, I partial it at that.

    So you can't exactly get rid of providers, they can always return by proxy through any panel. But why would you wanna get rid of providers. Getting rid of bad panels will either kill their providers who are no good, or will prompt panel owners to demand more attentiveness and flexibility from the providers.
     
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