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[Discussion]Quality of JV proposal of late

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Jeffersontalks, Aug 24, 2016.

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  1. Jeffersontalks

    Jeffersontalks Regular Member

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    As a new member of this forum, I think there is some points of discussion necessary on JV ventures.

    Recently I was looking at two particular opportunities and noticed that both have something in common. One offer was from a reputable member here on BHW, the other is a potential scammer.
    Both similarity lies in refusing to show a proper business plan or even the website or landing page of the product/ services for fear of copycats.

    My question here is that since it is so much of a concern on this copycat, the OP could have asked for a signed NDA or even prospect the offer to only people that the OP know personally and not coming to BHW to seek out JV partners.

    As a potential partner or investor, why should I invest my time nor money into something that I have not seen or even shown the proof of concept. Will you drive without seeing the road ahead?

    To make it worse, one of this offer was from a senior respected member on this forum. How do I even know if his/her account was hacked and someone was impersonating him/her? And at the end of the day, having the belief that the offer was genuinely from the respected member and participated the JV, I end up with losses to scammers. So who is to blame in this case? Myself for failing to insist to check (since OP is so afraid of copycats)?

    My suggestion to Mods is this, before approving the JV, please kindly make sure that OP is willing to share case studies or a proper business plan. I think this is basic essential before JV are allowed so that scammers would not make use of loop holes (to prevent copycat so just give me your money or time). Some of us could potentially lose our time and not money. But the time that we spent could be leveraged and used upon by scammers to scam others. Example, investing adwords account created through VCC. This very adword account could then be used to advertise scamming offers to cheat many others.
     
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    Jayzzz Regular Member

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    Go to warrior forum kid
     
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    Zwielicht Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    This is why researching the member you're considering working with before and after contacting them is important.
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    If, after doing research on the member, you feel that the account has been hacked or that the member is running a scam operation, you should report their profile to the moderators with details on why you're under that notion. They'll look into it and make an endeavour to figure out what's going on.

    Additionally, what is a "senior respected member" to you? Are you going based off of usergroup colour (e.g., Jr. VIP), join date, messages, likes, or a mixture of various factors? Respected members are members like T0mmy, BassTrackerBoats, Asif WILSON Khan; members who spend their time improving the forum by helping the community.

    Lastly, if you want to make a forum suggestion, we have a sub-forum for that. http://www.blackhatworld.com/forums/forum-suggestions-feedback.26/
     
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  4. Jeffersontalks

    Jeffersontalks Regular Member

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    Are you implying that you can go into a JV without even knowing what is going on? This has nothing to do with another forum. The very basic of investing your time and resources into a business is to at least understand what is the business all about.
     
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    Thanks for the detail information. I am no looking at improvement at this stage rather I would like to engage into a discussion with fellow members about their view going forward before putting forth a proper proposal. There is no point in suggesting if I am the only person seeing this matter as an issue. The people that you have mentioned are well regarded and highly respected members. But they do not go to JV ventures without sharing exactly the nature of the business. In fact I don't see any JV from them at all (unless I overlooked). The one that I just mention is well respected here on this forum but not as highly respected as the ones that you just mention. And the other is just a newbie who is trying his luck to scam. (already reported and Mod take fast action and acted on it).

    My point here is that am I the only who thinks that there should be a business proposal or at the very least OP need to be very open about his business before allowing the JV thread? If there is alot of people here who think like me, I would certainly put forth a proper proposal in the suggestion section of this forum. I know this is Blackhat forum but if a business can be copied so easily than it makes no sense to invest into it at all as competitors will catch up fast.
     
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    I'm not too familiar with the JV section, although requiring the OP to submit a detailed business proposal doesn't sound like a bad idea.
     
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    This is my thought as well. If the owner of the business is serious about his business and want investor to invest their resources (even graphic design is consider as an investment, not just monetary), they should at the very least have a proper business model and SWOT analysis done. You can't be investing into someone who do not even do market research and simply want you to put in your time or money. The business world do not work this way.
     
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    You've started with the wrong foot.

    First, you need to read the rules, as you already earned an infraction for the other thread.

    Second, nobody here loves pretension & paternalising. if that's your idea of trolling, we have much more entertaining trolls here and I suggest you learn from them if you intend to stick around. Unless you're actually that much stupid and you think that the whole due process of a JV between people is "omg, I read a post, it had smilies, I've decided to get into it!".

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