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[DISCUSSION] Private blog networks (Linkvana, etc) are dangerous [?]

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by FuryKyle, Jul 6, 2011.

  1. FuryKyle

    FuryKyle Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    The big G doesn't allow anyone to sell backlinks, and the only exception of that is if you include the no follow tag.
    So basically I'm asking if it's dangerous to promote your money sites\buffer sites on these networks, like Linkvana or SEOvine?

    They said they would deindex sites that have are involved in such activities, and I wouldn't want my money sites deindexed, not even my buffer sites since they're valuable too.

    I know that these networks do work at the moment, but is it a safe bet to place in terms of the future? I mean, anyone from the G Spam team can just sign up to these networks, make a few posts, track them down and deindex that site and all the sites that are linked to that site. This may sound crazy to some of you, but if you think realistically, why wouldn't they do this? These type of activities are totally against their rules.

    Please post your opinions here so we can have a great discussion. Thanks.
     
  2. pirondi

    pirondi Power Member

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    It has been 1 year and 8 months that i am using blog networks,and is working fine.

    About your concern this has already been discussed 9999x times,google will not penalize domains he will only devalue the links,because if not would be easy to do this to your competitors. (I am saying this for blog networks,for profile and blog comments links you actually can harm other sites but this is another discussion.)
     
  3. FuryKyle

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    Yeah thing is, which "competitor" would pay 60$++ a month to build links on private networks? They know G isn't currently taking down these networks, but one day, who knows? And when that day comes where all paid networks get taken down, do you think G will think that all those paid links build over the years were made from a competitor? I'm thinking from their viewpoint.
     
  4. wokaka

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    To be honest, I think private blog networks like linkvana and BMR would be the hardest to spot because they put your link in-content inside each article plus they dont reveal the URLs to you...

    Take a look at web 2.0 properties or article directories. For sure they are abused by SEOs like us yet Google hasn't penalized them. They are open sites, keep that in mind, but still...it's obviously harder for google algorithm to detect closed/private blog networks. It's not that easy to separate private blog networks with real blogs that give natural link juice inside their articles.

    To be honest, among all SEO black hat tricks, I would say private blog networks will be the hardest to penalize. Linkvana is crap though, BMR is better for me.
     
  5. wokaka

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    Talking about what Google can do in the future is pointless mate. Every SEO technique that works for today might not work in the future. They might change their algorithm massively, who knows...

    You cant predict what they want to do with their algoritm. You cant say private blog networks wouldnt work while other SEO techniques would...there are possibilities link push wont work (for example) and private blog network would still work. It can be the other way around, etc. Too many possibilities.

    as of private blog networks can penalize your site, i think it's still a long way to go. Yes, you can abuse competitor sites by spamming links to their site, but it must be massively spammed (outweigh their real SEO links). Private blog networks can't be spammed by automated softwares because they usually will only accept unique article per 1 post.
     
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  6. FuryKyle

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    Well, I won't say you're wrong. Everyone has a different viewpoint of things, and it really depends. For me, I'm the slightly paranoid type, and I wouldn't want my highly built site which I put lots of effort into to come crumbling down because of private networks. Comments and profiles are a lot safer seeing that anyone can do it on competitors. As for your statement saying that they cannot find the sites to which the article is posted on, that is totally and entirely wrong.

    All you need to do is do a quote search of the article. Even BMR does that for you and voila - you get the site. See how simple that is? The only way they can't detect these sites is they no index, and even that probably won't work unless you start blocking spiders - which defeats the whole purpose of such networks.

    These are my views. If you are inclined to join the conversation, please do. This is meant to be an open discussion.
     
  7. alba56

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    I am a student and still trying to learn, been lucky enough to try BMR for the last few weeks and the main site i have tried it on has shot up the rankings, 6 keywords lurking at page two and three with a push will get to page one and the site just got upgraded to PR1.

    Nothing else done with this site other than BMR so if Big G got a problem he would not give PR1.
     
  8. FuryKyle

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    If you properly read my post, never in any of it did I say that they do not currently work.
     
  9. wokaka

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    Actually if you say comments and profiles are a lot safer, i have to disagree. You can find a lot of threads here already saying they abuse their competitors by building 24/7 spam links from blog comments to their competitors. Myself has proven this work really effective, as long as the site you are trying to abuse has very few backlink power.

    Why do people keep saying "build comment backlinks to your buffer sites instead of your money site"? I know and I know a lot of people still build comment backlinks to their money site and they can argue "it still works for me". However, there are even more examples that it can get your site to sandbox when you build too many comment/profile spam links to your money site directly. Question is, if it can work for your own site, why cant it work to your competitor site?

    Now im not saying that I do abuse my competitors daily. I was doing it for experiment purposes. This alone has proven that comment/profile links are easier to trigger the "penalty" thingey.

    Nobody would know who build backlinks to who. If I build backlinks to your site, would Google know? No. They would see site A links to site B and NOT person C build site A links to site B.

    And what do you mean detecting article by just "quote search of the article"? We are talking about google algorithm here and not you or me to detect BMR articles. Google algorithm won't do "quote search of the article" imo. It's algorithm and not manual search, how do they know which blog is part of private blog networks and which one is real blog linking to legitimate sites? While for blog comments for example, they can just filter everything out as real sites never give out natural link to other site based on blog comments. You get my point?

    It's a hard long way to go. If i were them, i wouldnt focus on detecting that. I would just filter out something that's certainly spam. Nobody would give natural link to another site based on your forum/web 2.0 profile page or blog comment. however, you can see a lot of blogs out there giving real link juice naturally to other sites. Harder for google to separate them with "paid" blog posts, for sure.

    Again, if we are talking about long term future, nobody can predict it for you. Private blog networks have worked like charm for me. I am not saying SB/xrumer dont work, it still work, but I believe it has shorter lifespan compared to private blog networks. And i agree with statement that say it cant make your sites get penalized unless you have too many links from them. That's why diversity is the key. Private blog networks can help you get diverse backlinks. It's never bad to get blog posts from private blog networks.

    Even linkpushing now has private blog networks and i believe ever since they have these networks, they work way better nowadays.
     
  10. FuryKyle

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    Well, firstly I'll have to say that there have been at least 2 case studies (probably a lot more) that have tested the so called "sandbox" myth. They blasted their new domain directly solely with SB blasts and maybe some profiles here and there alone and have never suffered any loss in rankings.

    Perhaps G thinks competitors wouldn't care about new sites, so obviously there should be no "spam building" by opponents, but as the case studies showed, this wasn't the case. I have both links to threads if you like, but you've probably read about them already.

    As for tracking the sites within the network, I meant, for example, someone from the G Spam Team doing signups, posting articles and then tracking and deindexing them one by one. Now, obviously this isn't happening now, but who knows? They've clearly stated that they would deindex any sites that indulge in such activities, and it would be extremely easy for them to do manual checks on such networks. The ultimate question here is whether the "footprint" risk which might get you deindexed is worth the slight PR juice or not (all your pages on networks get PR0 as you know). We're not talking about some drop in rankings or anything like that, which you can fix by removing those spam links and start focusing on quality. We're talking about losing your site forever.
     
  11. SuperLinks

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    Private link networks aren't dangerous typically unless they are poorly made/designed and leave a gigantic footprint. Sometimes these blog networks are poorly designed and use the same theme, have the same links, have the same IPs, same content, etc. Leaving a big gigantic footprint that ties together the whole network.

    As long as the network doesn't do that, you really have nothing to worry about!
     
  12. gamefan

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    In my opinion, don't use the private network as your main backlink strategy, if you want to invest your site for a long run. The reason is that there is a big foot print left in the private network.

    1. The sites have the same or similar catalogs.
    2. The posts have the same length.
    3. There is one link in one post.

    It is easy to find one site of the network if you do a simple test post.
     
  13. FuryKyle

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    Your reasons are not logical. Good networks don't group together and they are based on different IPs. The post length varies and there is no "set length" as you have said, and there is not necessarily one link in one post. There can be multiple links in it. Have you ever used one before?
     
  14. BackBlasts

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    To be blunt, if you are genuinely worried about this stuff you are in the wrong forum.

    There is no way G would de-index all sites linked out to from those networks.

    1) Google know a lot of legit webmasters unwittingly employ shady SEO's
    2) Google know that pepole would just link their competitors sites

    How much do you think an SEOLinkVine subscription would cost if it were a guaranteed way to get your competitors de-indexed?

    $49?
    $490?
    $4900?
     
  15. BackBlasts

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    I have personally hit filters (been sandboxed) on dozens of sites, even aged domains I thought would be "bullet proof" in terms of aggressive link building.

    Forget case studies, try and rank a competitive (heavily spammed) money term for real and you will soon experience this for yourself.

    Automated filters applied for aggressive link building are not a myth.

    A lot of people subscribe to the view (myself included) that some niches / keywords are more sensitive than others to getting filtered.

    Also, G has become increasingly sensitive to link building, so you are likely to see a lot more of this going on in the future.