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[discussion] My own web 2.0

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by lagger, May 30, 2013.

  1. lagger

    lagger Power Member

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    So ive been thinking it over the last couple days, why not have my own web 2.0? Here are some random thoughts about this in no particular order and you guys lemme know what you think....

    Alright so Im thinking about buying a aged domain and building it into a wordpress mu site where people can sign up for there own sub domains.

    Of course each sub domain will link make to the main domain so the trust/pr flow will head back to the main domain to make it more authoritative.

    I know what your thinking, how will you get traffic blah blah blah.. Well my answer to you is just like article directories.. If you build it, it will get spammed. So hopefully people will use my site as a buffer site to there money site and I should rank for random long tails.

    Also I will be able to do the same for myself. I can use my kw.domain.com to rank for random kws that are not to difficult and they should get the main domain deindexed.

    Monetizing part my favorite part..

    Force header banner on all free accounts, which at first would be all accounts.

    Down the road offer paid account increases. Like more drive space, premium plugins or banners, domain mapping you know the normal stuff for the real people that eventually get there after the spam.

    Also my web2.0s that are ranking for random long tails.

    Alright guys what you think?
     
  2. Duffers5000

    Duffers5000 Elite Member

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    Whats your plans for servers would be the first thing on my mind.
     
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  3. lagger

    lagger Power Member

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    Ill get a dedicated server when my hosting bitches.
     
  4. SkyrocketSEO

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    I see no one posting in this thread cause they do not understand your entreprenurial mind set. You want to do something that will probably make you some nice cash (if you do not stop after a couple of weeks).
    So, just go ahead dude. Most of the people do the same thing as everybody else and at the end they end up creating thread:"Nothing is working for me and I tried all"
    You do something else (even though your idea is not original) and I bet you will end up coming here in a year or so, saying how you finally made it.
     
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  5. Duffers5000

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    What size of dedi ? unless we are talking about something entirely different, you will be offering Joe public the platform to reg and build a tumblr/wp type blog free on your site ?. I think you will need to think through how much space you are really going to need. If this is any way successful you will need serious bandwidth and a proper budget.

    Edit: dont get me wrong,like the idea but available space to facilitate project should be planned in advance.
     
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  6. the-kashish

    the-kashish Junior Member

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    Well...Im building niche Web 2.0s Networks and its working like a charm.
     
  7. lagger

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    Ill obviously start of with shared hosting. Then switch to a provider who offers incremental server updates. So if my site grows then I can get a server that grows with it. Thanks for making me think about this part, I actually didnt give it much concern. After looking at a couple dedicated server prices, I dont see a problem with affordability.

    Any suggestions on dedi servers?
     
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  8. oozyluce

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    I would suggest you do NOT start with free hosting. You will see that the server migration will soon be a synonym of Satan in your head.
    Start off with the cheapest plan of your favorite hosting provider that offers incremental server updates, you will save yourself massive troubleshooting when it comes to migration... Because there will be no migration :)

    Also.. CDN, you will need a CDN. You'll save MASSIVE bandwidth and you'll be able to afford more storage space.
    Fail-proof CDN is Amazon's cloudfront service. Otherwise go with Cloudflare's pro plans
     
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  9. lagger

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    Yeah the free was a typo I ment shared. I also didnt take CDN into thought. See thats why I ask you guys this stuff.
     
  10. thejake

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    Cloudflare doesn't work with wildcard subdomains unless you have an enterprise plan. Cloudfront would require a surrogate domain, at least if you're using origin pull. In neither case would you save money on bandwidth that you could put towards storage, the bundled bandwidth with even a hostgator baby plan would cost over $350 on cloudfront. CDNs are for performance.
     
  11. lagger

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    Heres my shared hostings, server upgrades. http://www.justhost.com/cgi/dedicated

    I would limit the hell out of the free accounts maybe 50-100mbs and charge for more when that time comes. But even the low amount seems to provide at what I guess would be more then enough storage for what Im trying to accomplish. I could be wrong, but if Im worrying about HD space at the top teir, I will hopefully be banking enough money to have some serious options for myself.

    In the mean time my best bet would be probably, banning spam accounts that use up large amount of HD space and have low traffic, limiting user accounts, and if need be get CDN for performance (cause wordpress is slow as a shat).
     
  12. Krypt

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    I was also thinking about starting something like these, how difficult is to create a web 2.0 ? what about SEO?
     
  13. lagger

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    I spent more time making a legit looking website, then I did setting up the wordpress mu stuff.

    There are many walk thrus out there, just check em out. If you get stuck Ill be more then happy to help.

    As for SEO I would rather not say what my plans are for getting traffic because it will get saturated real quick. But like article directories people are always searching you out. You could rank for orange carrot cake and someone is gonna pick you up sooner or later. But Im thinking the most important thing would be is PR for the main domain. The people you will be attracting in the beginning will not be interested in a PR n/a site. Also your gonna need a domain that can handle some spam, because thats what your gonna get hit with in the beginning.

    Now this is all my opinion of course but from owning a couple of article directories in the past, I assure you, you will get found.
     
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    Good idea though. Is the creation of sub domains/blogs automated then?

    Only thing I would say is make sure you know how to back the whole thing up and move it - for expansion planning and so on.

    Good luck.
     
  15. lagger

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    I signed up for justhost many years ago and just have been to lazy to leave them. Now might be the time thou. But to be fair they are alot better then they where a year ago.

    Yes the whole process of creating sub domains is automated. You can choose between creating two formats blog.domain.com or domain.com/blog/ I decided on the sub domain to protect the main domain from de-indexing.

    If im missing something here and if someone has some more advice here please post away. I need as much info as I can get!
     
  16. lagger

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    What do you guys think about AWS? You think that would be my best bet?
     
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    Setting up MANY wp "network installs" and creating a monthly subscription would be better ;-) I speak from experience

    Limit the number of mu users to like 300 per domain.

    I will warn you - need to beready for blog comment spam and themes that FAIL - and getting shut down by a lot of hosts.

    - eliminate all possibilities of blog commenting or your journey will meet an ugly death - early.

    hrefer and scrapebox are your new enemies
     
  18. lagger

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    Blog commenting all together or blog spam?

    I was thinking just switching to Amazon Web services and being done with it now. So in theory I shouldnt have to worry about being shut down.

    Has anyone used AWS and a dedicated server and have a opinion on both?

    Took a minute to pick up what you where saying here, thats not a bad idea.
     
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    What about making people do a survey once a month to keep their membership :p
     
  20. thejake

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    Elastic beanstalk and RDS makes for a very scalable and high-availability wordpress install. That said you're talking about a $50 a month nut for the db, micro nodes, and balancer for something that'd be extremely outperformed by a decent $50 a month atom dedi, and outperformed by decent $20 a month cloud/vps hosting. AWS makes you pay for potential.

    A poorly administrated high end server can still be home to a poorly-performing moderate-traffic wordpress install. A well configured cheap commodity dedi can serve 50k requests an hour without significant system load.
     
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